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Seemed like really unfortunate buck passing. take a look. >> our stations are not built for that group that is crossing today. they were built 30, 40 years ago for single adult males. we need a different approach. we need help from congress. we need to budget for medical care and mental health care and for children in our facilities. >> your view of that response and where congress does fit in? >> all i'm hearing is that they want to fund more of our taxpayer dollars to hold children in detention for long periods of time. let's not forget under the obama administration, individuals seeking asy...

Given what we have reported and the loss to these lives, this seemed like really unfortunate buck passing. take a look. >> our stations are not built for that group that is crossing today. they were built 30, 40 years ago for single adult males. we need a different approach. we need help from congress. we need to budget for medical care and mental health care and for children in our facilities. >> your view of that response and where congress does fit in? >> all i'm hearing is that they want to fund more of our taxpayer dollars to hold children in detention for long periods of time. let's not ...

Just given. that's extraordinary if white house officials are saying, i can't be certain if i'm telling you the truth. >> absolutely. it's a welcome caveat after so long of them pretending they knew things, that either they knew were not true or had no basis for. this has been a symphony of buck passing. everybody is trying to cover their ass. nobody knows the truth. a few people know the truth. that's not their primary concern. their primary concern is saving themselves or making themselves look good. rob porter is already out. now we're trying to figure out who to blame and that's the concer...

Are they aware of it? >> i think they don't -- they got two things handed to them in the last 24 hours. one is do something about health care. make it work. the other is figure out something to do about iran. you know, there's some level of buck passing by donald trump. as aaron points out, he is trying to thread a very fine needle here. they believe this is about donald trump's personal politic. aaron noted it. donald trump doesn't have any iran policy. he didn't run on an iran policy. barack obama did a bad deal. we're going to do a better deal. it is like the paris climate accord. we're pul...

Buck passing. the stories were wrong. the paper did defend you when you were on trial. >> absolutely. >> if i had a story and it was wrong -- >> i said that. what i wanted to do was go back. it's there. what i want to do is go back and show how and why the sources and i got it wrong and the "times" wouldn't let me do that. that is what is rep pre-henceable. you have to correct the record which is why i wanted to -- >> george tenant got to do after the 9/11 report. >> and that's why i went back to look at my own testimony in the scooter libby trial. that was something i got genuinely wrong. and...