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felony violations of our national security laws as well as participating in a conspiracy to obstruct justice. adherence to the rule of law is the bedrock principle of the department of justice in our nation's commitment to the rule of law sits an example for the world. we have one set of laws in this country, and they've let everyone. >> the 38 count indictment against trump and his personal and now codefendant walt nauta accuses the former president of 30 accounts of willful retention of national defense information, three counts of withholding or concealing documents in a federal i...

>> the united states of america, versus donald j trump. >> we have one set of laws in this country. and they apply to everyone. >>, tonight the stunning 49-page indictment. 37 criminal counts, secret national security documents, strewn around his country club, on stage in a ballroom, on the floor in the bathroom. a conspiracy to hide them from the feds, and the lies that he told to cover it up. rachel maddow, lawrence o'donnell, aubry melbourne, joy, read -- are here for msnbc's special coverage of the second indictment of donald trump. good evening from new york. welcome back to our...

president with multiple crimes. and for the first time since this investigation began america heard directly from the man in charge, special counsel jack smith. >> today, and indictment was unseed. charging donald j trump with felony violations of our national security laws as well as participating in a conspiracy to obstruct justice. adherence to the rule of law is the bedrock principle of the department of justice in our nation's commitment to the rule of law sits an example for the world. we have one set of laws in this country, and they've let everyone. >> the 38 count indictment...

Mcdougals story would have been National Enquirer gold, and his decision not to run it was purely to help donald trump. Joining me now, nbcs Vaughn Hillyard outside the courthouse, former federal prosecutor paul butler is back with me. Former assistant new York Attorney general Tristan Snell is in studio, and Jeremy Soland, criminal Defense Attorney and former manhattan prosecutor. Im going to start with you because youre a Defense Attorney and youre new to this table. Its a challenge, right, no matter how many times the defense keeps going back and back and back to david pecker, trying to sho...

Up trump gave his own lawyer access to less than half the boxes in his possession. it notes taken by one of trump's lawyers trump's had to have told them i don't want anybody looking, i don't want anybody looking through my boxes, i really don't. i don't want you looking through my boxes. wouldn't it be better if we just told them we don't have anything here? >> i want to turn on my panel. chris let me just with you. in terms of the sense of kind of childlike desperation around all of this, and the degree to which trump himself is physically blowing through all these boxes to the degree that i...