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Years running. as you know, he's run in '90s, he ran in 2008 in the primary before he lost to barack obama and then became his vp. i think he very much wants to run for president and i think he should. we had the deepest field we've had in a very long time. unlike four years ago when we kind of all wrapped our arms around the presumptive front runner. this time people are going to fight it out. to mike's point, i don't think he needs to make his mind up very soon here, right. there's no real first mover advantage. i spoke to -- at a conference last week with 100 biggest bund letters in a democ...

Preferential treatment in bankruptcy court. the biggest issue here, i've said it before. where is really the scandal, okay, yes, the president incompetent. if they warned him about this. that's incompetence not a crime. if you go on the white house website, they talk about doing this exact thing. using taxpayer dollars to subsidize and fund industries that they feel are important to their base. >> and does it not-- >> this is obama everybody. >> does it not bother you that the company got 535 million dollars and turns out, one of mr. obama's major bund letters happens to be through one of his ...

Bankruptcy court. the biggest issue here, i've said it before. where is really the scandal, okay, yes, the president incompetent. if they warned him about this. that's incompetence not a crime. if you go on the white house website, they talk about doing this exact thing. using taxpayer dollars to subsidize and fund industries that they feel are important to their base. >> and does it not-- >> this is obama everybody. >> does it not bother you that the company got 535 million dollars and turns out, one of mr. obama's major bund letters happens to be through one of his many investment vehicles h...