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Think? >> who would have thought it would be a busing question that would trigger his downfall and the uplift of other candidates and stuff. i don't think he's in trouble. i think he's realistic now or he's normal, if you will. he's got up by 5%. but this is a boost from the debate. and so the question is how can the other candidates keep this boost where it is, sustain this boost. there are debates in detroit in another week or two and somebody else will get a boost. biden has got to be a strong performer. he cannot continue to be average and stay above the fray. >> nancy, help us understand ...

Response on the busing question, joe biden's comments on the busing question. have a listen and i want to get a sense of what he meant here. play the tape. >> busing. do you see it as a viable way integrating schools? does that relate to the policy? >> it has been something they have done for a long period of time. there aren't that many ways you're going to get people to schools. this is something that's been done. in some cases it's been done with a hammer instead of a velvet glove. that's part of it. this has certainly been a thing that's been used. i think if vice president biden answered ...

Debate. pollster stan greenberg chalked that up to defensiveness over the perception that the attacks on biden were attacks on the biden/obama legacy and those who would consider voting for biden went down 11 points from 81% to 72%. joining us now, white house correspondent for pbs news hour, and "new york times" reporter. as we put the morning consult poll up, it shows kamala harris as people expected getting a nice bump from her performance at the debate and joe biden ticking down a bit. how big of a problem do you expect this busing question is for joe biden in the edge theic -- democratic ...

From this down the road will be wounded and give all kinds of fodder. >> they and their reaction to the campaign call the to our infomercial for the donald trump reelection campaign. they will try to say so far left, this is not what you want. to get serious on these issues, we didn't think it was a vice president's best night. it was a complete disaster for him. you are hearing from people who thought it was a rough night for him. >> some democratic strategists in the spin room were stunned he didn't have a better answer on the busing question. it has been out there since the 1970s, he has ru...