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Little bit of dispute. this is more rumor than anything else. >> you said that to buzz feed. >> yeah. that's one of the possibilities and one of the rumors. >> you stated it as fact. >> maybe i did, but i -- right now i'm at the point where i'm learning. i can only -- i can't prove that. i can say it's rumor. i can prove it's rumor, but i can't prove it's fact. >> you said as a matter of fact on hannity and buzz feed -- >> how do you separate fact and opinion? >> i don't know how do you do that. so rudy giuliani labels things he has declared to be facts as rumors. he's calling his own answers ...

Now i'm at the point where i'm learning. i can only -- i can't prove that. i can say it's rumor. i can prove it's rumor, but i can't prove it's fact. >> you said as a matter of fact on hannity and buzz feed -- >> how do you separate fact and opinion? >> i don't know how do you do that. so rudy giuliani labels things he has declared to be facts as rumors. he's calling his own answers on fox news rumors and having done that he said he does not know how to separate facts from rumors. so right on schedule tonight, politico is reporting a giuliani headline that reads trump grows frustrated with giu...

Listened to rudy giuliani explaining how and when the president reimbursed michael cohen for the $130,000 paid to stormy daniels. >> the other day you told buzz feed that at some point after the 2016 election michael cohen complained to some people he hadn't been paid by donald trump so then you said cohen met with trump and told him and giuliani said we'll cover your expenses, they worked out this $35,000 a month retainer after that. so the president did know about this after the campaign? >> can't say that. at some point yes but it could have been recently, a while back. those are the facts ...

Another agenda too which is dealing with what he calls the witch hunt. >> it might not be working for the communications staff in the white house but giuliani seems to think it's working. i want to play more of what he said on abc and see if you can follow. >> you said cohen met with trump and told him and giuliani said we'll cover your expenses. they worked out this the $35,000 a month retainer after that. so the president did know about this after the campaign. >> can't say that. i mean, at some point yes but it could have been recently, it could have been a while back. those are the facts w...

Has now dropped his lawsuit against buzz feed and fusion gps over that very interesting steele dossier. first come to you on this barbara, that if threatening or making sort of very obvious hints that you shouldn't snitch, don't work, is donald trump the kind of person that might go to flattery, buttering him up, offering a pardon? >> i don't think in this instant he would think flattery would work. flattery is for a whole other thing. this is serious stuff. so dropping -- pardoning lib by and that kind of thing, that is what he's trying to do, he's trying to say you'll get pardoned. >> can do...