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Things happen. and you were alluding earlier to whatever is happening here in the united states. i actually think that if you compare what happened to this woman when she returned after challenging essentially oleg deripaska and his connections to the kremlin to some of the stuff that happened today in the united states, you see a big difference. the russians look at what happened here today with all of the press stuff and the buzzfeed reporting, they see that as chaotic. we see that, i think, as the very basis of our democracy. it's trying to get to the bottom of things. it's sometimes an ugl...

Accurate. buzzfeed not backing down. here's the statement from editor and chief, ben smith. in the response to the statement. we standby the reporting and the sources who informed it and urge the special counsel to make clear what he is disputing. all right, let's bring in people who report on these stories and work for the doj. it's good to have you both. let's deal with where we think thipgs stand. buzzfeed says one thing, mueller people change in terms of what they believe is true about what they know. does that end the buzzfeed reporting for you? >> well, for me i take it as now we're back...

There is a reason why mueller has seemed like the arbitor of truth, because he has named who has been lying to investigators. i think that preet is right, when you have the president point to this as evidence of -- this is going to help him, the fact that mueller -- >> he is on a retweet spree celebrating this and attacking the media. he is, of course -- mostly retweeting people mocking buzzfeed for this. the editor and chief of buzzfeed, ben smith, who led the team doing this reporting, came out just now with a tweet that a slightly different statement. he is saying, we urge the special couns...

We'll i assume see over the next couple of days, where our reporting and where everybody else's reporting advances it. >> we love to have scoops. isn't it nervous making that you are out there by yourself on a story that lots and lots of very good reporters are covering? >> you know, the specifics of this story grew out of a story that we have been way out in front exclusively on, the moscow project, which is a different line of inquiry. jason and anthony have been through this whole process at times pretty far out on somewhat separate lines of inquiries than everybody else. obviously, the fac...

At least not from an official channel. >> ben wouldn't go into detail. but it would be normal procedure to ask the mueller team to comment on a story that they're reporting. >> of course. part of the all of our frustrations unkor covering this story has been the mueller team will not comment on almost anything. and we are all trying to get things right. jeffrey makes an important point. my husband who is a journalist. said that we are all just good as good our sources. that's true. i think that again i don't know who the sources are the i'm not willing to impugn sources. i think the two report...