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This is often a point the president makes. people are out to get him. anything that could delegitimize the investigation is of concern to the special counsel. that's why they went forward. i don't know what this means for the story going forward. >> joining us is ben smith. good to have you on. can you explain your response to what special counsel mueller's office has released? >> thank you for having me on. obviously, we stand by the reporting in this story. we spoke to federal law enforcement officials who told us the president directed michael cohen to lie to congress. >> do you know who th...

Credibility. >> they are not wrong. michael cohen has lied. >> he has acknowledged that. the white house has a massive credibility problem. this is why when you have -- it's very rare -- >> the white house, as far as i know, have not acknowledged that they have lied about anything. >> correct. i think that's -- they have acknowledged sometimes errors. very infrequently. so this is why when i had a lot of people around the white house and around the president saying to me today, why is everyone not just -- why do they have -- why does the trump team have to give a response? because people are n...

Removed from the conversation. that's the way it works in russia. there is no rule of law. you know, somebody threatens an oligarch, and these types of things happen, and you were alluding earlier to whatever is happening here in the united states, i actually think that if you compare what happened to this woman when she returned after challenging essentially olig deripaska and his connections to the kremlin to some of the stuff that happened today in the united states, you see a big difference. the russians look at what happened here today with all of the press stuff and the buzzfeed reportin...

Trump tower moscow. >> we should point out that terms of the time line from the white house response in the morning, i think it was kellyanne conway, hogan gidly who were on attacking michael cohen as a liar, raising questions about the reporting, but not denying it categorically. it wasn't until the president's attorney rudy giuliani later in the day said that it was categorically untrue. then sarah sanders echoed that and citing rudy giuliani. into that was significant for rudy giuliani. in the same way -- we rarely have categorical denials from rudy giuliani at this stage in the investigati...

>> we love to have scoops. isn't it nervous making that you are out there by yourself on a story that lots and lots of very good reporters are covering? >> you know, the specifics of this story grew out of a story that we have been way out in front exclusively on, the moscow project, which is a different line of inquiry. obviously, the facts are true or false. we will all get to the bottom of this. the special counsel could make clear what in the story he is disputing that would make it easier for everybody to stand it up. i think we are confident in the reporting. >> ben, it's preet. taking m...