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Of 051-cs generally and 4s in particular completely opaque. if you look at its report and if you look at the ig report, you look at the reaction of the irs, they go back to, well, these all have to be judged based on facts and circumstances. if you -- if the irs were more transparent and provided clear guidelines, what is it that a 501-c-4 can't do. what is political intervention. what does primary purpose mean? if it laid out those lines in clear public forum, then the groups that want to doing everything right would have guide posts to do it. and those who wanted monitor to make sure their g...

Sure that these groups aren't abusing the tax laws. >> it is -- i mean, there were -- we have a case of progressive group that lost the 501-c-4 status. the only group we know really was kind of singled out by the criteria. you can argue logical reasons for doing so but it was conservative groups disprorgs at at least as far as we know. >> also, the criteria said that any group that had expanded -- one advocate of the expansion of government which is pretty much going to be a liberal group. nobody has come out and said yes, i was one of those groups. kids have lawyers saying yeah, i represent c...

In to the political system, the key was that they are consumers and shareholders would know about it and use their free speech to check the free speech. it is -- really indicating a premarket. >> instead what we are hearing is some of the speakers wanting to take the benefit of their new rights to speak directly to influence american voters but without any of the accountability we have in our political system set up as you said candidates -- contributors to candidates are disclosed. $200 on the website. political action committees when they spend money and registered at 527s have to disclose t...

I don't know they change anybody's votes. >> i think the big question is super pacs at least -- acknowledge that they are political action committees and disclose their donors. what we have seen with some of these c-4 groups is that they are applying to the irs for c-4 stat us and applications say we are not going to spend money onful particulars. a group that said as they were mailing their application for the irs, not spending money on politics, already up and running ads in nevada and florida. >> and -- >> irs law enforcement question where they are not subjecting enough groups to further r...

Three years. it was about 19 months when things were going back and forth for too long. >> sean: i stand corrected. i apologize. tell us what happened in your case? >> well, we applied for a 501-c-4. family talk is on 1100 stations around the country and we are all over the internet and so we started the organization and its purpose is very much the same as what i have is done for over 30 years having to do with family life and parenting and so on. and we applied for the 501 c 4. we already had a c 3 and aplead for a c 4 and it went on and on and on o the ground. and finally our lawyer called ...