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Have -- we should be very careful about how we go about c-sections. and in the case of shamani gibson we believe black women when we tell them, i'm in pain, something's not right after a c-section. another person that you highlight in this documentary is felicia ellis, a respect -- expecting mother in tulsa who's trying to decide between a hospital and a birthing center. and she delivers this poignant line. a black woman to having a baby is like a black man at a traffic stop with the police. what exactly does you mean by that? >> yeah, i think which she says is you have to pay attention every ...

Much for having me. so shamani gibson deliver her baby by c section which is major surgery, explain to us the financial implications of alarming a c-section instead of a vaginal delivery. >> well, i would say overall to the issues that we kind of have gone into this technological birthing in this country. so there are instinct to get constructions going, to move the birth along quickly. i mean, natural birth takes time. and all of that time doesn't add up to dollars. but you hurry this thing up along, you give a c-section which is a lot less time, does not cost as much because it is shorter ti...

A high body mass index shouldn’t be the sole determinant of risk for pregnancies, says Sara Lindberg.

For the mothers paying out of pocket, that was 18,000, that's almost $3,000 to be pregnant and have a baby. that's a lot. for women having c-sections, that was 77% higher than women who tnt. >> it is a lot of money to go through that. now to another major issue in this country, and that is fentanyl overdoses. >> these overdose deaths are still so high and heart breaking. let's take a look at the new numbers from the cdc. when you look at february 2021 to february 2022, 109,000 deaths from drug overdoses. 2/3 of those were fentanyl. this continues to be a problem that just keeps getting worse a...

I really don't know. but the effect it's having is just -- you know it's affecting the babies. mom should not have to worry about this. they have a lot on their plate. you know going through labor and delivery and a lot of moms have c-sections, complications with their birth and this is the last thing that we need to -- that they need to have to worry about. they are exhausted and recovering from surgery. the last thing we need to worry about is where can i buy my baby i cannot formula? >> terrific. the meantime i want to get down to something i was unaware of. it appears in arkansas there use...