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Think of there was a very sophisticated infrastructure of disinformation by design. whether it's the right-wing cable media or online on social media. so, if you want to live in this narrative and plays into your biases, you can really -- you can -- you can live happily in that world and not really have your viewpoint challenged at all. >> donie o-sullivan, appreciate it as always. up next, report you just saw and what it may say about the state of our country with "new york times" columnist tom frieden. feel stuck with credit card debt? move to sofi and feel what it's like to get your money r...

Watch that and say she's just repeating talking points, but i've known from speaking to so many folks who believe this stuff that a lot of people really aren't just regurgitating the taking points, they really, really believe this, and they have gotten to that point, right, because there's a whole ecosystem online and in right wing cable media that's pushing this narrative so for that woman there, this is very much her reality. john? >> it is a parallel universe and i get your point. they hear so much in their ecosystem they believe it. you talk to these people works do they believe? who do th...

Facebook, but facebook certainly, play an incredibly important role in the sharing of misinformation, and that's a huge problem. it's across the board. obviously what we learned about how much they knew about how damaging their algorithm was particularly to young girls, young women, on top of -- on top of everything that they've done to spread misinformation unchecked on the vaccine, for example, it's incredibly dangerous. he's said they have a responsibility, and he believes that as part of the ecosystem, they need to be -- the self-regulation that we are seeing is not sufficient. so he's loo...

Fact that he gets paradeeed for the on "saturday night live." they're thinking of the soundbites that are going to be used on cable media. and oespecially in social media these days. and gates-a shouting match. which president trump was tweeting clipsf that. that's what they're going for and that's their intended audience more than anything else. >> you wrote the book on gas lighting. is that essentially what the republicans are doing with all the screaming, trying to make it appear there's wrong doing at the people they're yelling at instead of the president? >> it's a lot of performance art....

The federal government does. president. he only wants to be president of his base. that's who he cares about, not joining me now, e.j. deyoung, the united states of america. and because of that this shutdown will continue, people msnbc contributor and columnist for the washington post, maria will suffer and bottom line, trump doesn't care if you suffer. cumar, president of voter that is the reality. he is about cruelty. latino, jamil smith from rolling >> and the thing is, gabriel, he stone and kaden dawson, has guy in the white house, bill republican strategist. shine, whose job it is to mana...