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Their due gestures. >> let me go back to the other don. a number of cable stations, broadcast stations, the number of people who get their news from streaming, what do you estimate right now is the bes percentage of this country that has a vague sense of what these two fellas look like right now. >> the percentage? >> right now, i'd say 20% right away. >> that's probably pretty close. i mean, you have a better estimate of how many people are watching -- >> all of the nightly news shows, evening shows, all of the cable. especially on a hot news night like this. we can tell you, networks like ou...

Whether or not the optimizer was working. >> if you are define success of we won the election or how did the optimizer specifically do it the only thing i can look at it is we got more impressions, we had larger audience and we paid less for it because we were willing to buy things in untraditional places. >> at one point during the campaign they were running shows on 60 different cable stations where as romney campaign was running shows on 15 different cable stations. >> patrick is a republican consultant who has been preaching to his party for years about political data. >> is one side doing...

Whether or not the optimizer was working. >> if you are define success of we won the election or how did the optimizer specifically do it the only thing i can look at it is we got more impressions, we had larger audience and we paid less for it because we were willing to buy things in untraditional places. >> at one point during the campaign they were running shows on 60 different cable stations where as romney campaign was running shows on 15 different cable stations. >> patrick is a republican consultant who has been preaching to his party for years about political data. >> is one side doing...

Radio and television stations to carry a message from the president which can last up to eight hours. existed prayer to chavez but mostly used for emergencies and such. so -- the -- journalists started flipping the channel. every one was chavez. this is a very bizarre thing for people in the united states. and -- in that type of thing, it is, ballot boxes are not stuffed p. >> right. >> and you can verify these elections for sure. but you know, prior to -- the election is when you say -- well, subpoena exactly a western democracy here when the airways are dominated. >> just to poe back to this...

That's a process and those are things that the body will have to buy into ultimately. i think at the end of the day, though, you know, you can have a shortened process. but that's all going to be generated by the number of candidates who are in the primary. whether or not they want to have more debates, it's going to be up to them. the networks and the cable stations going to come to them to put on these debates. as we saw in 2012. they will accept or not accept the idea of moving the convention up. i think is smart and it's something that we talked about at the time for the next round. but ag...