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That took place at the restaurant with the president sort of -- with a loud voice speaking on one end of the phone. and then he's also said things about whether he understood there was a link between burris many and t -- burisma and the bidens hchl's got to come in and be straight about what he remembers, be very clear in his testimony, because other wooids he could end up in some legal jeopardy here. i'm surprised he's testifying at all, quite frankly. >> let's get to that. you're surprised he's testifying at all. he could have asserted his fifth amendment rights. how would that work and how ...

Blessing. is this late in the game? does he have a path to victory here? if he jumps into this? >> it is absolutely late in the game, don. i think that is exactly the kind of question that he is pondering right now. look, i think at the end of the day, the vice president has to think about two things. i think this is human nature at this point. if there is something we have known about joe biden, he really does want to be president. he tried it twice before. serving as vice president i think has been one of the highlights of his career. he has been amazing. done a fantastic job at it. i think ...

Beginning. it started with things like this. surveillance video. if you look at the train, rushing by, up there, you know the length of the locomotive. pick a fixed point. cal cue lay the speed of the train. that told us right away it was going much faster than it should have been going 200 yard short of the crash site. so, why does that matter? in the big equation. bring in a model of the train and talk. a locomotive xiz tremly heavy. 97 metric tons. pushing up toward a quarter million pound. if it is traveling at 50 miles an hour as it should be. all of the physics here will cause some outwa...

Right? >> oh yeah yeah. definitely. definitely. that started that chain of events don. >> who is best here to explain this on the technology. maybe david souci. colleen. how sonar technology found the plane how it was able to determine a plane and not something else? >> i would speculate the sonar equipment was on the ship that was dispatched to the area. because the only other way to do that is through highydrosound testers. sending out a signal. much like the radar on the aircraft we are talking about. send out a signal. cal cue late the bounce-back. calculates the bounce back. and a picture...

Would vote against the russian influence. how does he grab a country against its will in 2014? >> well, i don't think at the end of the day they makes the cal cue husband for going for all of ukraine. he's in crimea. the next question is does he look to go into eastern ukraine that has russian sympathies there and may find it more governable as well as desirable in terms of not taking all of ukraine, all of its economic consequences and all of unrest that you clearly state would happen if he would try to do it. at the end of the day he's looking to see what the world is going to respond. this ...