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U.s. officials that senior white house officials had intervened to lock down all records of the phone call especially the official word for word transcript of the call that was produced as is customary by the white house situation room. okay, so does the word for word transcript differ from what the white house released? carol leonnig and "the washington post" are reporting on a bunch of indicators within the document itself that such a thing might exist. and carol leonnig is with me here now. so that's a question. we've got this memorandum, these call notes. they read transcript-esque. do we ...

Caution, a memorandum of a telephone conversation is not a verbatim transcript of a discussion. so there's that. there's also good reason to believe there is an actual word for word verbatim transcript based on what the whistle-blower wrote in his complaint. quote, i learned from multiple u.s. officials that senior white house officials had intervened to lock down all records of the phone call especially the official word for word transcript of the call that was produced as is customary by the white house situation room. okay, so does the word for word transcript differ from what the white hou...

Of the probes into trump targeting biden. this is not a drill. this is a test in real time right now of our constitutional system of government. remember, many thought the test would come during the mueller probe because trump ousted two fbi directors and attempted to obstruct the probe. but here's the thing about why that went down differently. it's something that you know as a news viewer about bob mueller. he sticks to the book. he doesn't lean into testing our system of government. he didn't demand the president sit for an interview and he didn't recommend impeachment as other prosecutors ...

Whistle-blower was struggling with he or she finally decided to go forward with this whistle-blower complaint. >> you just mentioned the efforts to abet the hiding of this, and the reporting indicates both from the whistle-blower complaint and subsknt reporting that they moved it out of the normal system in which such call notes would reside and be circulated into a highly classified system. there's now reporting that's been done with conversations with mohammed bin salman and vladimir putin. what do you make of the propriety, legality of that? how big a deal is that? >> well, i don't know the...

>> a man should take care to see that nothing happens to them. >> it's not just democratic critics. you are looking at the cover of the great journalistic institution the new yorker where you see trump and giuliani literally pushing uncle sam off a bridge with his feet in cement. i'm with author of "all alone on the 68th floor" and robert dietz, former counselor to the cia and former general counsel at the nsa. nice to have both your perspectives. robert, what happens, in the event weav've seen these call notes, people inside the u.s. government are asked to go along with what they view as unl...