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That's very decent of him to say that, but there is a political aspect to this, and there are big issues involving the whole range of gay and lesbian rights, transgender rights and so on. do you hope that the publicity surrounding chaz's story may lead to a more tolerant, dare i say, liberal attitude towards this kind of thing? >> i don't want to throw out any political terms and label anybody anything here. but i am always one who believes we can learn something from everybody's story, wherever we can hear it, that there are bits to learn and we can gain some wisdom and happiness from watchin...

I was very nervous about going to san francisco. that's where he did it. i had no idea how i would react. but to my surprise i was thrilled. like i got it. when i saw his chest the way it looks now i thought, oh, right, this makes sense. i was surprised. i actually thought i might miss the other, but it worked. >> physically there wasn't a problem. what about psychologically? >> emotionally, we went through a lot of work. you go from being in a female dynamic, even though i believe chaz was always male. he had estrogen. so you have two estrogens in the house and then it go -- had to

At that point i started to go back over my life in my head and put these different things together. >> we're going to have a short break. when we come back, we'll get to the moment when you decide, i want to be a man. >> okay. >> i'm also going to hear from nick cannon about a scam targeting his wife mariah carey and their babies. >> saying my wife was drinking beer and all that stuff. people will do anything to try to conjure up a story. ♪

And family is so important. and chaz has been such a hugely important part of my life but the same token, kind of rid chaz because i'm not really popular in chaz's community either. we kind of have some fun going back and forth on that. sometimes we agree to disagree on things. but at the end of the day chaz campaigned for me when i ran as a republican running for congress. so we put our love for one another ahead of politics. >> yeah. actually, it's been an amazing experience because, i mean, mary and i have always gotten along. we love each other deeply. and it goes beyond politics. it reall...

There was a softness that chaz had as a female that is different now as a male. >> from a technical point of view, are you now a straight guy? >> sure, yeah. >> and you can't be a lesbian any more, right? >> i'm a bisexual woman. >> you remained a bisexual woman. >> and i stayed that way. so there you go. >> do you amuse yourselves when you explain all this to people who just sort of can't get it? >> we amused dave. or he did. >> what did you think watching that? >> i thought it was great. i thought it was great. and he heard that bisexual girlfriend, he was like, oh, i don't know. forget it. ...