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In the atlantic by anne applebaum that said the problem is how you engage with russia, should -- not just limit russian money laundering, stop russian oligarchs from buying property in lorne done and miami. her basic argument is that you and your colleagues are in a world of diplomatic niceties that russia has nothing but disdain for. russia doesn't respect treaties or borders and you're treating them as if they're just another actor in the world of diplomacy. >> first, i would just point out, before we were dealing with this particular contingency, president biden signed an executive order, t...

Russia found this out by going in, and afghanistan, and trying to do that sort of, "let's just squat here for a while and see if we can change things. we can't, people are getting killed and we are spending money. we are leaving." it's very complicated parade when you go in like he did in syria -- and melissa was right about this, under obama it was a humanitarian situation. then the question begins -- after cam weapons were used in syria, and this president held his redline and fired those tomahawk missiles, what's the mission now? >> melissa: right. >> harris: maybe he's asking that question...

Our leaders need to be precise and accurate. we also need to identify that our la ratorial to counter those ideas. we're going through cataclysmic reform. ask egypt. it doesn't work. >> good to see you. >> thanks, megyn. >> we are also investigating reports from u.s. intelligence achblgen sills worried to get his hands on kem cam weapons

Our leaders need to be precise and accurate. we also need to identify that our la ratorial to counter those ideas. we're going through cataclysmic reform. ask egypt. it doesn't work. >> good to see you. >> thanks, megyn. >> we are also investigating reports from u.s. intelligence achblgen sills worried to get his hands on kem cam weapons

Broadly, in the last couple of weeks, we've seen social media messages and hibts a lot of skepticism there for potential conflict in the region. be many are thinking are they perhaps seeing an avenue here to soften their posture? >> well, don, you feel to realize, iran was the last country to have chemical weapons used against them by iraq. and the world, at that time, stood aside. i think they have a very conflicted attitude. it's a very pain vl memory of the iraq experience using kem cam weapons. so ill think the ie rain yans, only this i shall shoe, are really, trully conflicted. it is true...