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Back with us president obama's former campaign strategist david plouffe. how should joe biden and the campaign handle joe biden and his family being dragged into that phone call by president trump, president of ukraine, a phone call that is now the subject of an impeachment investigation? >> well, as outrageous as it is, and you know trump's got guiliani kind of, who i think comes across more like a lunatic figure these days than the former mayor of new york city, and all his hench men trying to drag joe biden into this i would use that obsession to your benefit. obviously, lawrence, your show...

Campaign handle joe biden and his family being dragged into that phone call by president trump, president of ukraine, a phone call that is now the subject of an impeachment investigation? >> well, as outrageous as it is, and you know trump's got guiliani kind of, who i think comes across more like a lunatic figure these days than the former mayor of new york city, and all his hench men trying to drag joe biden into this i would use that obsession to your benefit. obviously, lawrence, your show, any show, any podcast, local or national, would have joe biden on and i would use that obsession don...

>> did you hear swing voters? >> i don't disagree with susan in terms of messaging. it was more for the crowd in the room. he focused on why paul ryan was the pick. i think it's a gamble on swing voters in picking, but it's a gamble broadly on picking ryan, made clear last night. which is, do you believe that people say they want to hear hard truths and you ready to make hard decisions? are they really, or not? we're going to find out. >> how did the ryan campaign handle the pushback from the obama campaign? >> so far letting it soak in. they expected the obama campaign. they came out this mor...

Issue this week which should be troubling to his supporters and to his campaign. >> all right. well, when we come back we're going to talk about sort of what will the fallout be? what will happen? how will the campaign handle if they don't indeed win south carolina. we ask, though, what was south carolina's nickname before being known palmetto state. nathan gonzalez, i know you would have known this. what is it? >> the iodine state. >> because of the large percentage of iodine found in plants native to south carolina. it was even emblazened on license plates. that's like us here in florida put...

acknowledge he was twice accused of inappropriate behavior as head of the international restaurant association. >> i was accused of sexual harassment, falsely accused i might add. i was falsely accused of sexual harassment, and when the charges were brought, as the leader of the organization, i recused myself and allowed my general counsel and my human resource officer to deal with the situation. and it was concluded after a thorough investigation that it had no basis. >> the restaurant association tonight says it won't and can't comment on personnel issues from 15 years ago. cain in...