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This russia investigation is -- seems to be divorced from reality. one of the biggest points of contentious between the justice department and the house judiciary committee right now is the fact that mueller has yet to come in and provide even closed-door testimony to members of congress who are working on their own investigations of trump's campaign interactions with russian nationals during the 2016 campaign season. in fact, mueller, of course, said publicly that he doesn't want to testify, and that one statement that he read aloud was going to be the totality in his mind, as far as he hopes...

Talk about this afternoon. i look forward to discussing that in a closed session. >> so this reporting from the financial times comes in the wake of other reporting that president trump has tried to conceal the details of his face to face meetings with putin. it only raises more questions particularly as investigators continue to probe the trump campaign interactions in 2016. >> all right. thanks. let me start with you as a former state department and white house official. what does it matter if president trump meets with putin and doesn't have a note taker or translator? c what is the csignif...

Attorney do you think jeff sessions need to publicly formally recuse himself from that investigation? >> i think that he should be recused. because all of this is related to the trump campaign or at least partially related to the trump campaign and so it should be a full recusal for jeff sessions. not a partial recusal. >> tell us how the michael cohen -- he's under criminal investigation in new york by the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york, tell us how that is connected to the allegation of russian collusion. >> well, this was the -- the president's lawyer for many years and...

Comey and whether it was, in fact, related to the russia investigation or whether it was related to comey's handling of the hillary clinton matter as the memo describing the firing stated. sessions also has information potentially about trump campaign interactions with russia. sessions had meetings with russia bams dor, then had to go back and clean up and ad miss that those meetings happened. while not surprising they are deeply significant interviews and very important witnesses. >> i think the way that mike schmidt put it when he first broke this story for the "the new york times" and you w...

Investigates, we learned the russian government reached out to the trump campaign. the the trump campaign. the chum campaign met with the russian government. they were not fully forthcoming about those meetings but i'm not saying there was collusion. we have learned more about the trump campaign interactions they are not done with their investigation part for every american who cares about russia interference in our election, there is no harm in letting this investigation play out fully and making sure we run down every single lead. >> katie: you are correct. if americans are concerned, which ...