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They were lying about and is what they were lying about provebly a crime. neil: or ask collusion specifically with the russians or-- what is from that? >> i think we should be cautious about that. it seems to me that you know, what this indictment doesn't say, it doesn't say that there's proof that anybody within the campaign knew that the russians were behind this before the acts of, for example, illegally obtaining e-mail from the dnc or from the-- >> there were over 100 types of kinds of contacts leading up to the inauguration, robert. >> well, contact, that's not enough. that's part of the...

He should be on the campaign side. here's the deal. he said that interview before he worked for him. now after getting to know him, he wants to be his chief of staff. >> adrian, these aren't top choices in either direction. >> right. >> this wasn't the -- mick mulvaney's top choice for president. so the word acting i think should be hung on all the jobs from now on out. >> acting. i don't know how he's going to actually do this job and run omb. omb is a big job. >> i think it's crazy. >> i think it's crazy, too. >> he's not resigning from omb. nobody can do chief of staff, run the white house ...

Obviously, when it comes to the human rights violations we need to hold the saudi regime responsible for that. gillian: it's important to have female voice ins national security and something you've been working on for a while. is working to help women's voices to capitol hill, on the staff side, the political side, the xap side. -- campaign side. tell us about the latest initiative, i think the viewers will find it interesting. >> we now only have 13 republican women in the house. gillian: that's abysmal. >> that's a very, very low number. we lost truly amazing lead e, mia love and me me wa -...

Russians were offering the trump campaign, cooperation, synergy, they said, politically. offers of business cooperation. we know that there was interest expressed from the trump campaign side. they took all these meetings. they never said no, never reported it to the fbi. and then repeatedly lied about it. you have that. what do you need from there to meet the threshold of a conspiracy? >> well, a conspiracy under the laws of the united states means that two or more people agree to violate the laws of the united states. there are various laws that apply to campaign finance, to election law, an...

What you need to show is the russians made an effort and someone accepted the agreement to make a problem with the elections and committed what's called an overt act, which means you have to do some act in furtherance of the conspiracy. what we're looking at now is an agreement from the campaign side to also engage in this collusion or conspiracy, a criminal conspiracy and an overt act in furtherance of the conspiracy. >> of all the filings that we are expecting to get this week, kara just laid out some of them, which one are you watching most closely and why? >> well, they're all interesting ...