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I say they all go in with different goals. people don't realize how hard prep is, kevin our talking before we came, out it is grueling and no one enjoys, it but it is part of the most important thing that they do, especially now, to your point, about cobwebs. except for ron desantis have been debated last year in the context of his reelection pence has not done it since 2020, i don't think kristi is done in seven years, haley in eight years -- >> and some of never done it in a multi candidate field. >> as someone who is moderated a debate with multi fuel on it, it's hard to manage that dynamic...

Don't think kristi is done in seven years, haley in eight years -- >> and some of never done it in a multi candidate field. >> as someone who is moderated a debate with multi fuel on it, it's hard to manage that dynamic on the stage. >> imagine showing up, not preparing to be the moderator. >> something i would not do, by the way. >> kevin, the goal for a lot of the candidates is to make a moment on that stage. it is hard to do it, but the whole thing seems like it might just become very vanilla. is it hard for these candidates to stand out? >> it's hard if you don't have a strategy. i think t...

Trump in 2024 by pretending that joe biden is the second coming of karl marx. >> there is that. tom, you have nbc news reporting that reads quote, most of the 2024 candidate field has been the past two and a half validating or turning a blind eye to trump's false claims that he won the 2020 election. priming the republican base to believe that trump is a proven winner against president biden. now that we have only a few months, you know, in front of us to try to undo that perception, that base appears reluctant to press the case. where does this go? where does this leave us at this point to wh...

Base that it seems to have largely checked out of this process to get them to check back in to eclipse trump. >> to be very honest i don't think that it is possible. there is a narrow chance of it, because we are an active god away, and donald trump is the old, he could have a health event as much as joe biden could, it is possible the next indictment will magically make trump unpalatable for some reason to voters. it is not worth giving up. i don't think anybody should ever give up. who passed has the last word. but you have to be serious about not laying a predicate that is going to make it ...

Next indictment will magically make trump unpalatable for some reason to voters. so, it's not worth giving up. i don't think anyone should ever give up. topaz to have the last word. you have to be serious about not laying a predicate that's going to make it harder for biden to beat trump in the general election. if the idea is, we have to stop trump at all costs, then do that. don't, like in the process of, it creates off-ramps for republican voters to stick with trump in 2024 by pretending that joe biden is, like the second coming of karl marx. there is that. >> >> you have nbc news reporting...