So explain and you're an expert, why the president is right and all of those business leaders are wrong? >> so, wolf, what the president did here and what is important to understand is when we came to the white house we inherited c.o. 2 targets to 26 to 28% by 2015 that were just unrealistic. we cannot get there in the united states without regulating carbon usage in this country. we do not want to be in the position of regulating carbon usage. we want to be in the position of growing economy and growing jobs which can really happened here and what you have to understand is we as a country hav...