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Managed to do this despite this every day incredible every day chaos, the incredible incompetence of a lot of the people around trump and in his cabinet. >> so they're incompetent. the question is, though, are they quietly on the side while donald trump's distracting, are they get a lot of things done in their agencies, moving things forward democratically? >> that's exactly it. it's not even the carsons or the pruitts doing this. it's the republican functionaries, a deep state of heritage foundation and federalist society activists who have been dying to do this stuff since probably the middl...

Get published now, call for your free publisher kit today! the last time jen saw her father was the one time she visited him in prison more than 20 years ago. at the time, he showed no remorse and today she refuses to speak with him. for years, jen thought the carsons would never get out. but in 2014, a new california state program allowed elderly inmates the possibility of parole. in 2015, michael and susan received hearings. susan was denied and michael will be seeing the board again in 2020. >> do you believe that over 60 years old, your father is still a danger to society? >> i believe t...

Or he would harm someone else, yeah. when my father was give an parole hearing, it just spun me out. i was 48enned, you know, i felt unsafe. >> to keep the carsons behind bars, jen has connected online with each of the victims' families, to fight their parole. today, she's meeting the family of the carsons' last victim in person for the very first time. >> john offered a ride to my father and susan and susan stabbed him repeatedly, and then my father shot him. >> why do you want to meet the family members of the people your father killed. i want to tell them that i'm so deeply sorry for the lo...

The carsons admitted to two additional murders, describing the brutal violence they had inflicted on their victims. in 1981, they stabbed 23-year-old karen barnes 13 time, bludgeoning her to death with a frying pan. in 1982, they killed 27-year-old clark stevens, shooting him three times and burning his body. they claimed everyone they had killed were witches, and that god had told them to do it. jen had seen some clips from the press conference over the years but we're about to watch one we've never seen before. >> my heart is beating from hearing her voice. i need to go take a break.

His passengers, michael and susan carson had killed him, and it wasn't their only murder. after authorities arrested the carsons for john's murder, michael wrote a letter from jail to "the san francisco chronicle" making his own demand. >> my father said they would confess to two more murders if they could have a live press conference. >> 35 years ago, investigators granted their wish. during a taped press conference, the carsons admitted to two additional murders, describing the brutal violence they had inflicted on their victims. in 1981, they stabbed 23-year-old karen barnes 13 time, bludge...