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Information and condition of real ax biguity. it is like battlefield command. and she just sensed that the institution had lost its nerve. >> you had this amazing moment where you described how george w. bush reads john berry's book about the spanish influenza, and he decides that in fact the u.s. has exactly as you say a very bad national public health administration and he tries to reorganize it. does it work? >> it does work. i mean, it is an amazing story, that bush, you have a traumatized president with 9/11 in the rearview mirror and katrina just happened and someone thinks it is good id...

>> it does work. i mean, it is an amazing story, that bush, you have a traumatized president with 9/11 in the rearview mirror and katrina just happened and someone thinks it is good idea to hand him a book about the 1918 pandemic and he comes back to the white house and says, what's our plan, and comes the answer, we don't have a plan. two doctors, carter mitscher and richard hatchet try to figure out the answer to a very particular question and it is what do you do to slow disease before you have vaccine? how do you minimize illness and death? and the conventional wisdom at time which is hard...