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Apart if that person does not testify. as democrats are pushing back on that, watch. >> it's impossible to bring this case forward, in my view, fairly without us knowing who the whistleblower is and having a chance to cross-examine them. they don't call the whistleblower in the house, this thing is dead on arrival in the senate. >> my theory is this is not so much about this whistleblower, as these individuals. and lindsey graham has about himself right in this basket. they are trying to send a chill into this administration to prevent anybody else who sees wrongdoing from coming forward. >> h...

Graham said any impeachment will be invalid if those two do not testify. listen. >> i consider any impeachment in the house that doesn't allow us to know who the whistleblower is to be invalid because without the whistleblower complaint, we wouldn't be talking about any of this. and i also see the need for hunter biden to be called to adequately defend the president, and if you don't do those two things, it's a complete joke. it's impossible to bring this case forward, in my view, fairly without any of us knowing who the whistleblower is and having a chance to cross-examine them about any advi...

>> it's impossible to bring this case forward, in my view, fairly, without us knowing who the whistle-blower is. so, if they don't call the whistle-blower in the house, this thing is dead on arrival in the senate. >> the whistle-blower, again, has protection. >> i think there's a real question whether you think the president should specifically go after one person, but there's a real question whether joe biden should have gone after one prosecutor. it's exactly the same scenario. >> the president of the united states demanding extorting a vulnerable country to do his political bidding, to go a...

To you about the subsequent trial in the senate? they are demanding action from you in the house of representatives to impeach. many i'm sure of your constituents believe that even if impeachment occurs, when it goes to trial in the senate, mitch mcconnell will save donald trump in the senate. >> they know the reality but they don't want the senate to be as one person told me let off the hook. meaning don't prejudge what the senate is going to do and just give them a pass and then corey gardener and martha mcelderry sally a -- mcsal will,ly don't have to record and say how they will hold this ...

Give them a pass and then corey gardener and martha mcelderry -- mcsally don't have to go on record and say how they will hold this president accountable or not. we shouldn't prejudge what they do. we should put the case forward. if you put the case forward, donald trump doesn't look better. you don't walk away from a house impeachment and say he should be nominated for the noble peace prize. he's going to look like a corrupted president. >> thank you very much for joining our discussion tonight. >> thank you. when we come back tonight's episode of meet the freshman, the freshman member of c...