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has yet to stop in to visit a state that she didn't win, you know, in the primary. and i think, you know, that's just a simple message that people pay attention to. steve: you are from a small area called arcadia. it's a much different place than milwaukee which is where the democrats are going to have their convention. explain the differences between the two. >> well arcadia is a big area with a small population. population density, of course we are rural but we have manufacturing and, you know, it's our term to have immigration now. milwaukee was once the center of quite a bit of immigration in this state. it's a four-hour drive and it's not -- it's just not a place that we share a lot of characteristics with we talk about the urban rural divide. catherine cramer wrote that
the demographics because he's a numbers guy but in 2008 he was in indiana and won that state. he did it because he showed up. again, it's a push and pull. >> the truth is the policies he pursued have not been aimed at the people he's talking about, there they have been aimed at his coastal liberals, the rising electorate. i was out in wisconsin a couple of weeks ago and there was a conference at the university of wisconsin and there's a q and a with one of the professors there, catherine cramer who has done a book and spent years going around wisconsin talking to people. somebody got up in the audience what can democrats say to people in these rural areas. she said first democrats have to listen to people. it's not just showing up and giving a message, it's understanding what it is that drive those people who voted overwhelmingly for donald trump. >> speak in a way, explain your policies that they relate to.