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Ignore it and you have to, to your point, wolf, defend their record and that's why the candidates are doing that. >> susan, are you hearing a message from these democrats that could appeal to independent voters right now? >> i think certainly especially when we think about sort of national security and foreign policy issues. you know, voters are actually focused on that in a way they haven't historically been. usually domestic issues really are at the forefront. they've spent two years worrying about the risks of things like a nuke rclear confrontation are n korea, alienating our allies abroad...

Question i had. does this shutdown -- you know, the '94-'95 clinton shutdown is kind of hazy in history. is this the shutdown we remember for all the wrong reasons? also subset question, how are we ever going to attract people to work in government jobs again? it can be a noble calling, as you know. >> absolutely. the interesting thing about '95-'96 was that was a big idealogical question. basically clinton in some ways said to gingrich, you all say you don't want government. let's close it down. and gingrich did it. and they adjudicated it and the country decided they wanted the government. s...

Can we say persistently to make the case that these institutions are worth defending. >> so that helps answer another question i had. does this shutdown -- you know, the '94-'95 clinton shutdown is kind of hazy in history. is this the shutdown we remember for all the wrong reasons? also subset question, how are we ever going to attract people to work in government jobs again? it can be a noble calling, as you know. >> absolutely. the interesting thing about '95-'96 was that was a big idealogical question. basically clinton in some ways said to gingrich, you all say you don't want government. l...

69% of people under 30 voted for ralph northam. that's bad news for the republican party. >> it is. >> do you think these millennials realize that to effectively govern you have to govern more from a centrist position? idealism is one thing, putting out the ideology that can be very right or left to whatever extreme can motivate a party but when it comes to governing and getting things done you have to do it more from the center. you don't think they realize that? >> i don't think that's a political calculus, i think it's who they are. they're our echo. the baby boomers' echo. they're more pra...

Away attention from actual legislative ideas that are up there on the hill right now. >> you may think, bill -- given how ryan just framed this and i think he's exactly right, we often in the media start chasing the shiny things like his comment today when he said, oh, i would have stormed into the high school whether i had a weapon or not. what did you think when you heard the president say that? >> his typical narcissism and no sense of what's appropriate and it was a pretty appalling statement. i will say, look, on both immigration and guns, i'm not a trump fan, god knows, and whatever he d...