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Outside of pittsburgh in the suburbs. did they peel off trump in greater than usual numbers? this district is only 7% black, which normally is bad news for democrats. if you don't have minority voters in those districts. so they're clearly the democrats are clearly getting a lot of suburban women. and they will hold the key. white suburban women will hold the key to whether the democrats regain control of congress. >> and joining our conversation now is mckay coppins, a staff writer for the atlantic magazine. he is the author of "the wilderness deep inside the republican party's chaotic quest....

And they love this white house because we have energy like rarely before. >> joining us now, tim o'brien, the executive editor of bloomberg view and the author of "trump nation: the art of being the donald." he is an msnbc contributor. also mckay coppins, author of "the wilderness deep inside the republican party's combative, contentious, chaotic quest to take back the white house." and mckay, you're one of the first people who introduced me in a sense to sam nunberg. i first read about him in your reporting long before this week. but you have written what i think is the definitive piece on wh...

And not only in terms of it looks great on their resume. it's just a great place to work. so many people want to come in. i have a choice of anybody. i could take any position in the white house, and i'll have a choice of the ten top people having to do with that position. everybody wants to be there. and they love this white house because we have energy like rarely before. >> joining us now, tim o'brien, the executive editor of bloomberg view and the author of "trump nation: the art of being the donald." he is an msnbc contributor. also mckay coppins, author of "the wilderness deep inside the...

First? will it be this one? you know, he's taken down seven so far. you know, if you look, so far, everyone that's attacked me has gone right down the tube, so that's good. >> donald trump there, speaking at a rally last night in las vegas. trump's gop rivals may not attack him at tonight's debate, but not because they're afraid of sinking in the polls, because they want to get their own messages out. they want to give this last debate of the year everything they've got to improve their own prospects. in fact, my next guest says the worst thing for donald trump's candidacy is for everyone to i...

And then this sort of crescendo backlash people started walking back. do you think the dynamics are different now around a meeting like this than they would have been ten years ago? >> i think it might have been the same. even if ten years ago. i think the issues that african-americans face in this country have not shifted very much in ten years we're talking about. so the issues that are critical, whether it's issues around education, housing, poverty, those are real in the community. and i think this meeting would have had the same kind of backlash ten years ago. because there are people who...