staff. and all the staff that may be around. [applause] i have always said that you re no better than your staff. and i thank them for all that they have done for me over the years. mr. speaker, i yield the balance of my time [laughter] to this distinguished gentle woman from north carolina. [applause] and what a privilege it is to speak for the man i love with all of my heart. i am so proud of you, bob. [applause] i once called myself the most optimistic man in america. maybe that comes from taking the long view. it s amazing that almost 60 years have passed since my neighbors in russell, kansas and the voters of what we call the big first district sent me to this esteemed institution. i arrived in washington as green as the kansas wheat field in may. fortunately i had some marvelous mentors, republicans and democrats to help guide me through the legislative maze. in the house, statesmen like jerry ford and in the senates giants like howard baker, hubert humphrey and george mcgovern all showed me a decency and dedication that transcended any party or generational differences. it was ab dirkson that observed that i am a man of fixed an unbending principles. one of my principles is flexibility. [laughter] put another way, even conviction politicians accept the need for compromise from time to time. this is how the american republic was built. we remain a nation of diversity, a code of colors and a healthy respect for those that we may agree to disagree. for many years, i occupied a suite of offices in the capitol just down the hall. s-230 is an impressive setting anyway you look at it, but it s the view from s-230 that sets it apart. sweeping down capitol hill, passed general grant on his bronze horse to george washington s memorial and the shrine to abraham lincoln. since 2004 that view has included a memorial which i am truly proud to have championed. a fitting tribute to the 16 million citizen warriors of world war ii and those on the home front who aided them and preserving civilization in its darkest hour. the view from s-230 extend still further to the hills of arlington. the countless heros that rest there in soil hallowed by their service, practiced many faiths, spoken many tongues, but this much they had in common. patriots before partisans. they put country before self. they gave everything for generations they would never see to uphold the freedoms that make life itself worth living. it s a long way from s-230 to the slopes of arlington, but nowhere near as long as the view they took of their obligations to prosperity and the defensive values that shine as bright as the gold in any medal. so i share with you a lesson learned over 60 years. leadership begins with the long view. thank you. [applause] ladies and gentlemen, the vice president of the united states, the honorable mike pence. [applause] thank you. mr. president, speaker ryan, leader pelosi, leader mcconnell, leader schumer, distinguished members of congress, vice president quail, governor brownback to senator elizabeth dole and robin, all the members of the dole family and especially to the newest recipient of the congressional gold medal, the honorable senator bob dole. [applause] it s humbling for me to stand before you today. i do see as vice president, as president of the senate. as i told bob, as the husband of 32 years of a kansas-born karen pen pence. [applause] as we heard today from so many speakers more eloquent than me, from the winds-swept plains of kansas to the war-torn hills of italy to the marbled halls of washington d.c., bob dole has spent a lifetime serving this country with courage and conviction. today we heard stories from those that have known and worked with senator dole throughout his life. we ve heard the examples of his character and they are legion. for my party, there was one moment in his life that seemed for me to embody the character of this great america. at every stage of his life, bob epitomized the greatest generation. when you lead congress as majority leader. and there was that time in history when senator bob dole answered the call to run for president of the united states but it was in the midst of that campaign that he did something that i believe generations of those of us called to public service will remember and reflect on. as the senate majority leader, bob dole had one of the most powerful positions in washington d.c. a role that would have been waiting for him if he lost the race for the white house. on a spring day in 1996, bob dole did something different. not different from his character. not different from the long expanse of service in his life. bob dole took to the floor of the united states senate and did what other statesmen have done in the history of this nation and he voluntarily relinquished a position of authority. he bid that historic chamber good-bye. he stepped down from the united states senate and he told the american people i will seek the presidency with nothing to fall back on. but the white house or home. in that moment, bob, i ll always believe the american people saw your heart. your selflessness. for you did in that moment and as you have done throughout your life, you put the interests of the country first. you demonstrated your unwavering commitment to serve the american people no matter the cost. senator dole, it is my great honor to stand before you today and offer a few words among so many others. we ve heard of your life of service and consequence. bob, you deserve to hear it from someone far more important than me on this day. so ladies and gentlemen, it is my high honor and distinct privilege to introduce on this special occasion the 45th president of the united states of america, president donald trump. [applause] thank you very much. i must say that it s my great honor to join you today and to witness this incredible moment in history, the presentation of congress highest civilian honor to our friend, a true american hero, bob dole. bob, it s an honor to be here. thank you. a great job. [applause] bob earned his place in the chronicle of american legends by the time he was 21. and in the decades since, he s never stopped earning his place in the pages of american history. i also wants to recognize senator elizabeth dole. elizabeth, that was beautiful. your words are beautiful. you ve been my friend a long time. thank you very much. you meant so much to our country. and done so much for so many. and i know that very well. thank you. [applause] everything we ve heard today reminds us of the thoughts of second lieutenant dole when he was more than 4,000 miles away from where we are today, many years ago. as his body laid paralyzed against a cold jagged italian hill. his thoughts went back home, back to that small town in russell, kansas on hill 913 in the darkest moments, bob dole had home in his heart. he wanted to go home. in the end, it was home that saved him. home was his grandma who believed he would walk when the doctors doubted that he would even live. it was his mother whose love and cooking fuel to fight to move his legs just a half inch higher each and every day. half an inch each day, bob. half an inch he would say each day. it was dawson s drugstore sat on main street to solicit donations for his so many surgeries. home is where bob dole learned the classic american grit. he knows about grit, that got him through 39 months in the hospital. it s where he learned the values of hard work, faith and family and integrity that have defined him ever since. to the stars, through difficulties is the state monarch. two of his stars through difficulties. a beautiful motto. of the truly great state of kansas and the perfect description for senator dole s extraordinairy life. from his first year as a young representative from kansas to his ten years majority leader of the united states senate, all the way to today, bob dole has never stopped fighting for those values. he fights for kansas, for veterans, for the disabled and for all of his fellow americans. he always has. tens of thousands of veterans have bordered honor flights to visit world war ii memorials thanks in part to bob dole. nearly every day at the memorial you can see tough war heros in their 80s and 90s move to tears and me recount the unforgettable experience of being greeted at their memorial and much to their surprise by senator dole. somebody that they have great respect for. one world war ii veteran from ohio wrote him after a visit. he told him that before he traveled on the honor flight, capitol h, capitol f, to say he didn t feel like he amounted to much. he didn t feel good about himself. when he came to washington, met senator dole and said i truly felt like a hero. for a day i never felt any better. that s because he remembered he was part of something better than himself. he was an american patriot that defended freedom in its need of hour. he really went out and he defended it more than ever. those that wear our nation s uniform are part of an unbroken chain of heros, their sacrifice, bob s sacrifice, keeps us safe and prosperous and free. long after we are gone, when our children and grandchildren and great grandchildren visit that extraordinary tribute on the national mall, they will no longer find world war ii veterans gazing up at their memorial to their friends and their deeds. they will be gone. but they will still stand in the place where our heros have stood for so many years. their hearts will be filled by the beauty and reverence of that grand memorial. and they will hear the story of the great man that rose up from a small town in the heart of america to become a soldier and a congressman and a leader admired by all. they will hear the story of bob dole and in hearing that story, they will truly learn what it means to be a great american. bob, that is the legacy you have left our nation, and it will outlive us all. you re a friend, you re a patriot, a hero and a leader and today you have become a recipient of the congressional gold medal. it s an honor to be with you, bob. thank you for your service. thank you very much. [applause] [applause] ladies and gentlemen, please remain standing as the chaplain of the united states senate dr. berry black gives the benediction. let us pray. eternal lord god, the giver of every good and perfect gift, we thank you for the gift of senator robert j. dole. a hero and an exemplary role model for patriotism, service, justice and freedom. lord, we re grateful for the beauty of his life that continues to bring light to darkness, joy to sadness, pardon to injury and hope to despair. may his magnanimous living challenge us all to see you more clearly, love you more dearly and to follow you more nearly each day. lord, bless and keep senator bob dole and his precious elizabeth in all of their going out and coming in, keep them without stumbling or slipping and one day may they both hear you say well-done, good and fateful servants enter into the joys of your lord. we pray this in your great name, amen. please be seated. ladies and gentlemen, please remain at your seats for the departure of the official party and until your row is invited to depart by a visitor services representative. thank you. in a rare moment of bipartisanship on capitol hill as one of the nation s greatest is honored with the congressional gold medal. now to john roberts at the white house with more. john? well, that was quite a time that we just saw there in the rotunda of the capitol with one of the lions of american politics, bob dole being honored with the congressional gold medal joining the ranks of people like jack nicklaus, rosa parks, the dalai lama, jackie robinson. i know that neil is a lover of space, dozens have received this congressional gold medal. what an amazing scene for 94-year-old bob dole, the senator from kansas who spent 35 years in the senate representing his country and his constituents back home. i remember covering his presidential campaign in 1996. what a very special moment for his and liddy. no question about that, charles. absolutely wonderful, touching and a beautiful thing to see. thanks, john. i want to go to fox news senior capitol hill producer chad pergram for more. chad? this was a rather extraordinary service considering how the rotunda is to bob dole. he was here when the late senator from hawaii passed away. he laid in repose in the rotunda around christmas time and bob dole, having trouble walking, he got up and walked across the rotunda to with with his friend. he said he didn t want to see him in the state where he had to be pushed up in a wheelchair. daniel and bob were attached politically at the hip. they were wounded just over the same hillside in italy during world war ii. they both worked with each other as they worked through their injuries. daniel lost an arm. he wanted to be a surgeon. bob dole had the same problem here. then they both wanted to get into politics. daniel came to capitol hill before bob dole. he was first a congressman from hawaii and then moved to the senate. he sent him a telegram and said why aren t you here yet? bob dole came a few years later to the house of representatives. he then came to the senate. probably steny hoyer, the minority whip put it put. he said it s appropriate that we give bob dole the gold medal because he set the gold standard. that s the key here on capitol hill, how revered he was. pat roberts said when they talked about giving congressional gold medal, it took him two days to get all 100 senators to sign on. the president commented a lot about bob dole s legacy. not so much in legislation, which is significant. he s one of the most significant senators of all-time here, but getting the world war ii memorial built just about a half mile from here on the national mall. 94 years old, it was his life s work after he left the senate and that opened several years ago and is a legacy to bob dole and the president mentioned that during his remarks today. thank you very much, chad. that was a remarkable scene. one rarely seen these days. on wall street, stocks rocking significantly higher. apple announcing plans to hire. the dow closed at the high of 26,000. the tech giant pledging thousands of new jobs. guess what is driving it? that s right, the tax cuts. welcome. i m charles payne in for neil cavuto. forget and a government shut down. we want to go to the great news with deidra. that s right. 26k. the first close above that level. we crossed that mark and closed lower. so today is the day. write it down. huge dow milestone. we ve watching it as you know, charles. last year five times did the dow break through these 1,000 point markers each along the way. we re in a nine-year bull market. you mentioned apple. all the sentiment around apple s contributions which i ll go into detail. trumping worries about this potential government shut down. apple announcing they re going to repatriate billions of dollars overseas. they re going to build a new campus in the u.s. the next five years and hire 20,000 new employees. so now the location of that new campus will be announced later this year according to the company and it is one that will initially house technical support for customers. so apple also saying they will make a direct contribution of more than $350 billion, a big number, to the u.s. economy the next five years. they re going to be making investments and purchasing materials from american companies. the tech giant says they will spend $55 billion this year alone. 9,000 american suppliers, more than 9,000 american manufacturers will get more business from apple. so due to changes from the next tax law, getting back to the money that could be repatriated, our calculations show about $245 billion will be coming back so that is money that comes back from overseas right here to the u.s. of course, this was really a big part of the trump administration s tax reform. just get money back here on these shores, strike deals with american companies to either save jobs here or create jobs here. that was certainly one of the president s campaign promises. take a look at how the markets have performed since the election in november of last year. you can see why people who have retirement accounts, 401(k)s, are feeling good these days. but our count, at least ten major corporations have paid out cash bonuses to employees worth $3.5 billion. that is my calculation, charles, back of the envelope and not even counting other forms of incentives such as pay raises. so reason for stock market optimism, personal optimism for many workers. back to you. thanks very much. we re all optimistic. i want to go to market washinger, larry glazer that says that democrats voted against the tax cuts will rue the day. larry, the news every day gets better and better. corporate america sharing the wealth, over 2 million people have been positively impacted. by the way, hasn t hit personal paychecks but that comes in early february. so true. this is the market celebrating today. the market said hallelujah, the economic plan is working. we re not just doing dividends or bonuses or stock buy backs, we re creating jobs, jobs, jobs. steve jobs will be so proud of apple today. 20,000 high paying jobs. those are good jobs, middle class jobs, those are well-paid jobs. that s what we want here. that s what this is about. we look at the economic plan. it s so exciting to see that we re getting traction in this count trip. it s going to the people that need it. this was the idea all along. you know what, charles? i was thinking about getting a samsung phone. i change my mind. i m sticking with apple after today. we may get a mac book. so excited for what happened. this is good news. what do you think? it was stunning what apple said. so when you do the back of the envelope calculations, looks like most after all their cash is coming home. $207 billion after taxes invested here or elsewhere. we re not sure yet. we re seeing pharma deals could be coming back, too. this is striking what is going on. we re counting 170 companies so far doing things like increasing wages, bonuses, 401(k) contributions. it s a different point of time that we re at right now versus obama s stimulus. i don t think anybody saw this companying, these companies would reacted like this. one of the things that democrats pushed back on that corporate america would bring back money from overseas. that 245 billion apple is bringing back is more than any the total that democrats said would come back. so far you have to admit, this is an amazing deal. i m always going to root for the american company whether it s republican or democrat. always root for american jobs. apple had enough money overseas tax free where they could have bought american airlines and general motors. it was hundreds of billions. as a small business man, i own an llc. i wish i could have parked my money overseas so you should be thrilled that president trump allowed the companies to bring the money back and now we re all benefitting. everybody will benefit that for some reason we have these crazy taxes in place. trump comes in, puts down a lower rate and the money is pouring in. the proof will be in the pudding. if the american people feel what you re saying, could be a tough day for democrats but it s notice been borne out president up obama who doubled the stock market, created 11 million new jobs and us democrats still lost 61 seats. it s not reciprocal. you couple with what we re seeing in the stock market, the only things that stopped it was the closing bell. today was a victory for the american worker. imagine if we passed infrastructure spending in this country. if we build roads, bridges and tunnels. imagine what the economy would do. the reason the market went up so much, it was surprised how much money apple is bringing back. $250 billion. a 50% increase in head count in this country. that s huge. i m surprised. it s shockingly optimistic and we hope there s more to come. wall street economists note that the reasons we agree 1.5% under obama is because it was over regulation of major sectors of the u.s. economy. we re talking the internet, banking, energy and so forth. healthcare. so ben bernanke in 2002, charles, said this could happen. a money finance helicopter drop after a tax cut. he said that after japan. we saw that he said it 16 years ago. we knew this could work. now it s here to be working. that s right. we had regulations on dust particles. we went too far. thank you all very, very much. those obsessed with a certain s word in d.c. got another one for you. shut, as in shut-down. where is the focus on avoiding that? 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thanks very much. to the freedom caucus which is signals they re not going to sign on any short term spending bill without military funding included. a risky move? we re going to congressman scott perry who is a member of the freedom caucus. the american public just grapples with the notion of another continuing resolution, kicking the can down the road and nothing resolved in d.c. yet you re willing to even forego that if you don t get the military spend something. nothing charles, nothing will be resolved unless somebody stands firm on something. members of the freedom caucus said we should have stayed in august, state through in the august break and worked through this. since the senate didn t want to do that and many members of the house didn t want to do that, we came back in september and passed 12 appropriations bills. it s been 100 days. they have no reason to do anything. you get troopses in contacts, troops on the front line, we have half the ships we used to and we re going to go month to month and finally give them some funding four months before the end of the fiscal year and blame them when they can t spend it correctly. charles: sounds like your argument is what the republican colleagues in the senate as it is with democrats. if somebody wants to say they re willing to shut down the government because they don t want to fund the military or because they want to put people here illegally in front of funding the military, they can make that argument. i think we can agree that we need to find solutions in hand. but we have to get to it. we wasted the month of august. the senate has wasted 100 days passing no bills. if we continue to do monthly c.r.s, why would they pass any appropriations bills? charles: the bottom line, the stakes are high. president trump wants his national security policy implemented, he wants the border wall, he wants the enforcements of immigration laws. he would like to change chain migration and the other things. democrats want daca. isn t this a perfect fact drop to get something done and if so, can the republicans themselves find a way to unite? we have a bill in the house that we re asking our leadership to have a vote on. it s a compromise bill for us. we want to put that thing on the floor and see where everybody stands on it. i don t understand why we must take the senate version. i understand there s going to be some differences, but that s why you have conferences as opposed to the only thing the senate can pass. you have to accept that. nobody ran for the house of representatives to take orders from the senate. we have two bodies here. we should be working together. charles: representative scott perry, thanks very much. thank you. charles: homeland security secretary kirstjen nielsen says criminal charges may be coming for leaders of sanctuary cities. want you to meet the sheriff that has been pushing for that and hear why the judge says it will never happen. touch is how we communicate with those we love, but when your psoriasis is bad, does it ever get in the way? 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we have to work with the department of justice. charles: acting ice director thomas homan telling neil we should bring criminal charges against leaders of sanctuary cities harboring illegal aliens. he could get his wish. sheriff, looks like the federal government heard you and they re coming to the rescue. what do you think of this? do you really believe it could be pulled off? oh, i absolutely do. i think it absolutely should. first of all, the attorney general has taken an approach as did homeland security to try to see that they could come to reason. obviously people like rahm emanuel and jerry brown and others are thumbing their nose at the law and pick and choose what laws they want to follow and this is not one. as far as any other citizen in the country, if you were to do the same thing, i can guarantee you the feds would be on you immediately if you are attempted to harbor or conceal somebody in the country illegally. it s a felony under title 8 section 1324. it violates their oath, puts the people of country at risk by protecting these law breakers. arrest warrants ought to be issued. in your state alone, later on today, an article came out about sanctuary mayors laughing. they re saying some of us are veterans, all elected by the people here. it s a joke. they re not taking this seriously. when i first testified before congress and congressman king asked me what we should do, we should issue arrest warrants. the major from cambridge said well have the sheriff come get me. what i explained in response was, he s going to be disappointed. it probably won t be me but it will be somebody else and it should be somebody else. they may be laughing now, but the people of this country don t think it s funny that they re harboring and concealing people that put them at greater risk, them being the people that they represent, and taking care of these law breakers. their job is to protect the people that they were elected to serve. they want to protect the people here illegally. charles: do you worry that this could make these mayors more sympathetic? do you want to see jerry brown with cuffs on and federal troops around him because it could actually backfire also. well, i don t see that. i think most americans are fed up with this nonsense where we have elected officials that think they can pick and choose what laws to follow. when it comes to the american people they re expected to uphold these laws. this isn t about people wanting them to be in handcuffs. it s not the people s decision. it s their decision. just like it would be ours. we have a choice. follow the law or suffer the consequences. they ought to suffer the consequences if they try to prevent law enforcement from getting these people who are a threat to the american citizens and illegal residents. if they try to inhibit us from holding them back. looks like the department of homeland security will throw down the gauntlet. sheriff, thanks very much. long overdue. thanks for having me, charles. charles: by the way, we apologize for an error earlier video. it had to do with the nfl. we want to bring in judge andrew napolitano and why this push to bring charges will never happen. the judge is coming next. ss. so the incredibly minor accident that i had tonight- four weeks without the car. okay, yup. good night. with accident forgiveness your rates won t go up just because of an accident. switching to allstate is worth it. charles: arresting governors and mayors that harbor illegal aliens. is it illegal? let s ask judge andrew napolitano. i saw the sheriff. he s very animated and passionate for his views. charles: he said that would be carrying out the laws that currently exist on the books. well, you said in the intro arresting governors and mayors for harboring fugitives from justice or undocumented immigrants. if they were harboring, yes, then they would be violating the federal statute. but if they are harboring means hiding and concealing and keeping away from the law. if on the other hand if they re saying to police and clerical personnel, we re not going to cooperate. if they come knocking on the door and have the paperwork, we ll comply with the law but we re not going to go out of our way to help them, that is their privilege under the tenth amendment. for the federal government to say you state police in california, you city cops in san francisco will work for us at our command, supreme court says no can do. charles: what about the argument by virtual of sanctuary cities rolling out the red carpet, enticing the breaking of the laws in the first place because when you break the border, you can hide out and get benefits, there s aiding an abetting and that should negate everything else. the crime is hiding. the crime isn t crossing the border illegally? the crime for state officials is hiding. answering the united states unlawfully is not a crime. remaining here after you have been adjudicated as being here unlawfully is a crime. let s say they re here unlawfully. let s say they re committing a crime by staying here. is it a crime for local and state government to look the other way or say to the feds, you enforce your own law? absolutely not. the feds can enforce their own law. if the states are not actively interfering by hiding these people in the basements of the governor s mansion, there is no crime. the supreme court has viewed this many times and said, you know, there s 4,400 federal criminal laws. we know the feds lack the resources to enforce all of them on their own. we know the feds are accustomed to partnering with local and state. they work together. when state disagrees with federal, they re not obliged to work for federal and federal cannot make them charles: that s in the constitution? the supreme court s interpretation of the constitution based on the tenth amendment. charles: in the past we ve seen where school segregation where federal troops have gone to states to make sure that certain laws were abided by by states that were resistant and used federal troops to do that. correct. that was a different time in our history and the right side prevailed via legislation. they did not arrest the locals that resisted because they weren t committing a crime. they just protected the young people from the unlawful behavior of the locals by making decisions based on raise. charles: what about using the argument of the purse, the purse of the federal government? that is an excellent way to not compel local cooperation, but purchase it. so if the congress says to the city of san francisco, here s $100 million for your school system on the condition you ll cooperate with ice and san francisco takes the money, then they re legally obliged to coopera cooperate with ice. congress has yet to do that. no what they won t take the money. the states and locals thrive on federal cash. charles: they talk about hoeding back monies that have can t hold back already which is appropriated. you can t add the conditions after the appropriation but you can make a new condition and expect the locals to accept the money. charles: looks like we have a show down brewing. the department of homeland security will push these issues and they mayors say they re laughing in the face of dhs. we have a show down brewing. i hope it s not violent and a show down in a courtroom and a level-headed judge decides it. charles: you re the best. thanks very much. a pleasure. charles: the dow soared 322 points close ago above 26,000 for the first time in eight trading days shattering the record. more after this. there are two types of people in the world. those who fear the future. and those who embrace it. the future is for the unafraid. all because of you here s the story of green mountain coffee roasters sumatra reserve. let s go to sumatra. the coffee here is amazing. because the volcanic soil is amazing. so we give farmers like win more plants. to grow more delicious coffee. which helps provide for win s family. all, for a smoother tasting cup of coffee. green mountain coffee roasters. he works hard, prepared as, extremely talented. smart, tough. disciplined. character, and one that you love. selfless, incredibly hardworking. focused day in and day out. when it s time to get a little excited, he will show the emotion and that will get you going. he s a lot of fun to be around. it s going to be a full day affair. charles: talking about the big game sunday? 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hours later, we had some very vulgar language from him on a completely different topic, but even if we just want to look at that immigration issue, it was a very good visual by brass tax nothing got decided. charles: 55 minutes and here is what i liked about it charlie. everyone was able to speak their mind. it wasn t one of those meetings like the cabinet where everyone is flexing, you had folks like dick durbin saying this is what i like and don t like and president trump was listening. 55 minutes and he didn t say anything stupid which is maybe a record. charles: [laughter] listen it was a good meaning. i wouldn t go as far to say this was like watching hayley s comet go by but it was a good meeting. it showed the mainstream media was obsessed with the sort of notion or the i believe the lie that president trump is insane right after the michael wolff book came out. this just showed this and a couple other things showed he s not insane. i don t agree with his comments. he s a little obsessed with it too. yeah, he says some outrageously dumb things, i m there, but he is not insane. he handled himself really well in this meeting and it shows that if he puts his mind to it he can govern. charles: adam? so i don t think it shows anything. what we already knew about donald trump as charlie pointed out that he s a pretty good television performer and he was a very good television performer during this session. he in fact stuck to the script the whole time which was to appear presidential. once upon a time he promised that he would be presidential all the time and he needs to do it for more than 55 minutes. charles: i think, you know maybe president s idea of presidential is different than adams and he thinks he is the president so whatever he does by default is presidential and by the way, i m not sure that that was scripted okay? it felt like to me more of a business meeting not a reality tv show where you bounce ideas off of each other and you try to come to some sort of conclusion and agreements. ben: well i think everything that a tv personality has on tv take it from a person that s been a tv personality for a long time is scripted and to some extent at least it s scripted in your hand and you know what you want to say you know the impression you want to give and that s what mr. trump did, he knew the impression he wanted to contradict that mr. wolf s book and give the impression he was a thoughtful solid genius although i have the idea of a person describing himself as a solid genius is comical. i don t think he was einstein would describe himself that way. charles: very stable. ben: solid, stable, genius i don t think solid, stable, genius will go around. charles: but the fact of the matter is though, deirdre is that we have fun with this but it was a moment that i had not seen personally. i haven t really seen anything like that. no it was one of a kind. charles: i thought it helped president trump. i thought it helped the idea that maybe we ll get through some of this bipartisan ship maybe we ll breakthrough that resistance barrier that the democrats have put up. i was right there with you charles i really was. okay this is impressive it did kind of calm the chatter about this michael wolff book and it did seem most people say like we hate congress because they re always fighting and not doing anything for the american people and it showed okay listen we have both parties sitting here around this table we re talking about this event that is very important to all of us which is with this looming deadline, how do we solve these immigration issues and spending issues i thought it was very strong. i think where i was personally disappointed was the 24 hours that followed with this kind of comments against some of the countries and the lottery programs that we re having and the name calling that again seem to just yank back to like a third grade school yard. charles: although ironically maybe that argues even more for the idea maybe all these meetings should be transparent. but they are. ben: that was what he did the next 24 hours was terrifying it was not just upsetting but terrifying and we ve got to really get mr. trump get his head around the idea he has to not only think he s president but act lick a president, he s got to think about f did are and think about eisenhower. his defenders are saying well , as ben brings up fdr and ronald reagan his defenders are saying well how about lvj and nixon? give me a break they re defend ing donald trump and lbj at nixon? even today haiti was loyal to the u.s. when we went in front of the u.n. but haiti actually, well norway voted against us so i just charles: i mean, but getting back to tuesday, because again, listen, we know we ll never get the sort of credibility that i think we should get in the mainstream media but the president trump did do the things you wanted him to do adam he did act the way you wanted him to act and maybe he will do it again. ben: and he did it was a break, it was a giant breakthrough in many ways. i m sorry adam for taking your time. sorry for taking your time adam. adam: clearly, president trump is capable of conducting a you know a mature adult responsible conversation and that s exactly what he did and yes, charles i think it s a wonderful thing. we should have more of it and the american people should get to see our leaders. charles: hold on a second you know, charlie, it always feels like when we have these conversations it s the exact reason of what the folks who voted for president trump want. they want the president trump that you guys seem to like. but they represent 35% of the population. charles: they represent enough of the population. wait a second a lot of people held their nose i know this for a fact and voted for trump because they couldn t deal with a criminal. charles: bottom line is he is in the white house. i understand that but don t tell me that the world loves this stuff because most people charles: listen i ll articulate one more time and say that the people who voted for president trump the core voters love him. that s 30% of the population. charles: anyway, listen, donald trump is the president of the united states. that means somebody has to vote for him and those people who voted for him they still love him and they don t want him to hold the meeting adam the way you want him to hold it. they like the way he speaks, they think it s plain speak and they love it. it s not politically correct and they think those that behind behind that language for a long time. adam: i agree with you 100% charles which makes it so interesting that this guy whose, you know again i don t say this, but he is a performer and that s the performance that he chose to give. he gave a performance that i like you re right and you re 100 % right that the next day he goes and he performs the way his voters want him to perform and that s disturbing to me. by the way most people, i don t know what poll you re talking about, tell me polls don t matter. most people don t like them. charles: guys guys i m not talking about polls. i m talking about the results of the election. that s all i m talking about what cannot be disputed president trump won. that doesn t mean acting like a more on is like good. charles: no, listen. if you want to call him that that s fine but he is the president of the united states. i said he s acting like it sometimes. charles: i ve got 30 seconds ben and i want to give you the final word on this. how do you see president trump being able to make his way through d.c. and is tuesday the right way in your mind to do it? ben: i think he did very well and unfortunate before i follow-up but i think he s doing it very well and i think he s a pioneer and i think we re going to remember him very very fondly charles: gentlemen and of course deirdre. you can bet that neil will be all over how the media covers next saturday when he launches hi new show cavuto live kicking it off live from our nation s capitol one year since trump took office how did the president do for your taxes and jobs and the stock market and where do we go from here? you can t afford to miss it so don t miss it every saturday 10 a.m. eastern. up next the administration taking heat for opening the door for medicaid recipients to work for aid. heartless or the best way to give them hope? we ll debate, you decide. today on forbes on fox the list keeps growing of u.s. companies announcing bonuses and pay hikes for their workers as a result of the tax bill but democrats calling it crumbs for the middle class so whose right and how is this going to impact the midterms, plus south korea giving trump credit for making talks with north korea work is the tough talk paying off, we ll see you at the top of the hour. they can- (beep) bill has joined the call. hey bill, we re just- phone: hi guys, bill here. do we have julia on the line too? k, well we ll just- phone: hey sorry. i had you muted. well yea let s just- phone: so what i was thinking- ok well we ll- phone: yeah- let s just go ahead- phone: oh alright- the award-winning geico app. download it today. live from america s news headquarters in washington d.c. i m jillian turner. a person has been taken into custody following a possible hostage situation. on board a greyhound bus the police pursuit began late last night on interstate 94 in wisconsin following a report of an armed suspect on board that bus eventually stopped after crossing into illinois and 50 passengers were evacuated. no injuries reported at this time. and convicted for a notorious crime has died in a mississippi prison, killen was a former leader of the kkk who orchestrated the murder of three civil rights workers in 1964 and that crime inspired the movie mississippi burning and his conviction in 2005 coming 41 years after the murders, he was 92. i m jillian turner, now back to cavuto on business. charles: the trump administration announcing this week it will allow states to require people to work or volunteer in their communities in order to receive medicaid given that they re physically able to, kentucky becoming the first state to make this happen. several other states already submitting proposals to implement the new requirements but critics say it s cruel but charlie you say this could actually help people? well it s called welfare reform we tried it back in the 1990s some great american mayors like rudy guiliani and a few others, it worked then. people who are getting government assistance working for that is not a bad thing. medicaid is government assistance and i don t think government should be in the business of just handing checks to people. i think that is, you know, earning a check goes a long way to helping you get back in to the private sector. i think it worked then and it works now. charles: deirdre the critics are saying someone is on medicaid receiving this they have a medical problem stopping them from working so you ll have someone whose medically unfit forcing them to work. this is what critics are saying. yeah, indeed there are a lot of critics saying society has a responsibility which is more vulnerable which does include the ill, the injured, people who are pregnant, students, children so you have that and of course on the other side the fact that this is $400 billion every year as a part of our budget. i think at the end of the day what is being suggested and what is going to come to pass is probably not going to move the needle because i think something like 59% of medicaid recipients who can work are already working , so we re talking about a smaller group. that came from kaiser family foundation which is non-partisan charles: ben 10 states did request this kentucky is already implementing it and we know this medicaid is busting a lot of state budgets. ben: i think that its a wonderful idea to allow people to work if they are physically able. work makes people feel better about themselves and work makes people feel physically healthy and mentally healthy and the idea of allowing people to do it not compelling them to do it but allowing the states to say give it a try and if it doesn t work out and makes you sicker then you don t have to do it any more but i think you ll find a lot of people are getting healthier not less healthy from doing it. charles: adam? adam: no one disputes any of that but that s the problem is it s not a question of saying this will be a good idea let s give it a whirl. the question is what do you do when they can t and are you going to make sure if they get care because that s what this is really all about. it s about a social safety net, so we have to have an honest political conversation you either want a social safety net or you don t. charles: would you agree adam people have abused the system? adam: of course. of course. all of these programs get abused adam i don t think anybody is saying people in wheelchairs need medicaid should be going outdoing construction work. there s a medium here. i mean this is a freebie. adam: what are they saying though? maybe they can do something but this is a something okay? but this is epheboi. adam: let s encourage them to do something i totally agree. most people in wheelchairs want to do something. adam: i agree. it should be some sort of way that the person kicks into getting this. charles: deirdre we do know also that the trump administration is looking at even larger welfare reform as well. we know there s going to be a great pushback, even though bill clinton was famous for implement ing welfare, work to welfare worked out pretty well. i just want to underline even with what s being discussed now there are very clear exempted categories just so that doesn t get lost in translation so if somebody is actually ill, no one in theory is going to come knock ing on their door saying you should be working construction. if you re ill you re ill. charles: you know, ben, but there are a lot of people out there now who for lack of a better word have gotten so accustomed to this sort of aid, it s difficult for them to get off of and in fact, you know listen we ve brought to welfare some people are born cradle to grave. is there a responsibility of the government to break that cycle? ben: i think there is a responsibility. i mean, whose going to do it if not the person as a caretaker and it will be so good for people to start working. i m not just concerned about the taxpayer although i am but i m concerned about the mental health and stability, stable solid genius capabilities of people who are working, they re not working and getting handouts it s really bad for them. charles: adam i know you want to say something. adam: yeah, just that i wish that this weren t being linked to healthcare. i m totally in favor of encouraging all people to work. i agree with everything everybody said about work being a good thing but we also need to make sure that everyone gets healthcare, period. charles: okay, let s leave it there. ben: absolutely right. charles: football fans may not have seen these images in a while but nbc says they will change during the super bowl. they re going to highlight any protests during the anthem on the big day, is that the right move or the wrong move? we ll debate it, you decide. charles: the super bowl playoff is in full force nbc says it will show the anthem on the big game day. justified or a ratings pull and have no fear, our stock charles: you know its been a while since network televised those anthem protests but nbc says that s going to change if anyone takes a knee during the super bowl. charlie is this a play to increase ratings? what s going on here? you know, i think that it s absurd and here is why. i ve done some reporting on this the average nfl viewer is almost , it s almost the identical of the average trump voter. it s excused largely white male, skews largely with an income under $100,000 a year, it skews highly more military than the rest of the population and they also hate this one knee controverse chi is why and the nfl knows it they ve crunched the numbers they know that part of the reason why viewership charles: why are they doing it? i don t know. the only thing i could think of is they re doing counter programming. they say they re going to show this, it s for the same reason why our ratings go up when people are cursing me out criticizing donald trump. charles: [laughter] clearly in this particular case because we know the ratings have come down we ve seen photos of the empty seats but in this case the super bowl is a unique kind of event i mean a hundred million people more or less watch so to me this goes even beyond football and may be less but it goes beyond the typical football fan. people watch because they want to see the advertisements. i mean, 100 million people and the anthem rightly or wrongly will be played, pink is going to sing it and it s before the game so if people really don t want to see this they can just wait a little longer. charles: people will be watching like popcorn the beginning of an old mike tyson fight looking for an early knockout, but ben why should nbc be this provocative, so ben: well because you just answered your own question, kind sir. provocative means controversy and controversy means people watch it and people are going to watch it and say those sob s will watch it then we ll turn it off and the nfl ratings are going down down down down down and maybe this is a system for down down down. adam: i have a different perspective charles. charles: all right adam. adam: no i think it would be completely unamerican for them to not show it. i mean this would be something that the chinese or the old soviets would do. there s something meaningful happening on our program but we re not showing it to you because we don t want to upset you. charles: they haven t showed it in a while. the nfl is a business and long term this is a bad business decision and here is the irony here. lick i said i ve done a lot of research on this the nfl in the past before 9/11 never showed players in the national anthem. players stayed in the locker rooms. roger goodell thought it would be a great marketing idea if he showed just how patriotic the nfl is by bringing him out. then, this thing backfired on him so it s really, listen the nfl is a huge marketing machine. it s a huge business, they are shooting themselves in the foot. charles: quickly, dead re? 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foreign aid in general particularly in that neck of the woods a lot of people say the president is getting into tricky territory, here what do you think? charles: this is a eureka moment , right? should we fund people that hiatus that befriend our enemies or harbor enemies and this is on american soil. yeah. charles: we should consider it. neil: that s what we ve been doing for a long time. charles: put it to americans who need it. i think it s a great idea whose time is long overdue. i think its come about time. neil: we give pakistan billions over the years? $7 billion in last 13 years. neil: what do you think? i m completely with rand paul it s a very libertarian idea. i think we should be reexamining the foreign direct investment we have all over the world. i mean i think we should be closing a lot of these military bases and we should be questioning some of the wars that we re still in and the trillions of dollars we ve put into the middle east that has gotten us pretty close to into ing. neil: my question was really about pakistan. pakistan is the anchor holding the middle east together including afghanistan and that s a war we ve been fighting for 15 years. neil: you seem a little sensitive. i m a little sensitive. neil: ben stein what do you make of this back and forth about foreign aid always out there, rand paul says good idea to take some of it start using it on people here. ben: i think we spend that money on foreign aid in order to help the united states of america and i think we fight those wars on foreign soil to keep those people occupied so they pes re not fighting and bombing us here. i think the idea of saying we should close military bases that are used to protect the united states just makes no sense at all. we have plenty of money we can spend it to defend ourselves and if those bases happen to be in countries not particularly friendly to us then all the better for us so we have bases close to places potentially dangerous so it s the idea of cutting back on military aid and military forces overseas this makes no sense, just brings the enemy closerment. they are here. maybe here more. ben: many more would be here. neil: but how did it get to the point where so much money is going. well how much is it i looked it up and did a quick google. charles: more on that. it depends. okay i did a quick google so neil: you did research? charles: [laughter] i m kidding. take it and it s prepared for your show. [laughter] no but let s be real clear it s a drop in the bucket compared to federal expenditures for all sorts of welfare and everything else. but that too. and i agree here is what you re missing this money is essentially bribery. we do have access to certain levels of government in pakistan we do have access to places where we give this money which is a drop in the bucket and it does help us geopolitically. make no mistake. neil: we aren t getting much out of this. we re buying rent in pakistan ben: we don t know what we re getting. neil: adam what do you think adam? adam: well, i agree essentially with charlie and with ben. i think neil: i am so out of here. [laughter] adam: it is, well it s childish to just say we re not going to spend miss money any more because you re being mean to us. we have goals and one of our neil: but harboring people who kill us is more than being mean to us. harboring bin laden. adam: i know, but ben: we don t know what would happen if we didn t. neil: adam sorry we re jumping on you. adam: i think it would be very dangerous for us to just say okay do you know what? we don t like this role of being a global any more because we re just not going to do it any more we do. i mean it s reasonable we do need to spend money on things at home. that s true but if we take this step, there s no going back easily losing our influence that we have right now. charles: you know it s just a shame. it s not being childish adam. it s being reasonable. it s being smart. we have people in this country who are freezing at this very moment. they have no heat at home. okay how about growing our economy and by the way it s not a drop in the bucket. a billion here, another billion there, every week you come on the show saying we should raise taxes so how wealthy are we? how wealthy is america? ben: but we do have to raise taxes. charles: i just don t get the notion of this kind of money the return on investment a term we all understand very well on this show just doesn t seem like it. and if we are so rich than why are we $20 trillion in debt? if we are so rich if we have so much money why are we borrowing money to fund our entitlements and our defense. ben: kennedy that s not foreign aid. then if we don t have that kind of money we have to borrow it from the chinese? we shouldn t be loaning it to everyone else. kennedy. kill all the foreign aid and guess what? the deficit won t change that much i guarantee it. neil: ben she does raise a very good point about how far is far. you can make the argument is it a drop in the bucket but to charles payne s point you add them up it s a lot of drops in a bucket and we don t do it because it s the way its always been done and we extract favors and god knows what things would be like if we didn t do it, but is it time and is it so out land ish for this president to step back and say wait a minute i m going to redefine what it takes to have constructive foreign aid versus destructive aid. ben: ice o raisism has been a catastrophe for the united states every time we ve tried it it is a drop in the bucket compared to the federal money. neil: but how is giving $30 million towards pakistan a step towards isolationism? ben: because pack pakistan although they re not nice people it s better than having them as enemies. it is bribery. if that s all you re doing in that part of the world. ben: bribery is not a bad thing. charles: the problem though is it s not working. neil: go ahead adam. adam: first of all, bribery is one word, hush money, influence money walking around money call it any of those things. the homeland has been largely secured for a very long time under this order. the way we ve been doing things. neil i think it is a good idea to say are we doing it correctly i think the president is appropriate to say let s look at how we re spending it. i think generally we re spending it well and we should keep that. how do we know it s not working. we don t know what the alternative would be. usually ben is right . historically, isolationism has been a horrible thing. neil: charles payne is not saying that. one thing to look at the balance sheet and say okay we give them and let s talk to them to try to get a better deal. it s another thing to say let s pull our money out of there. neil: i don t think you listened to charles. charles: pakistan is taking the money and they ve done everything they can to not help us. i mean are you sure about that? charles: i m sure. charles: if pakistan was there. absolutely 100% true. pakistan is the key to it. we ve not figured out what we re doing in afghanistan and the war has been going on too long by ben s rationale, we would be with iran at this point if we wanted to have greater influence in the region. ben: kennedy that s not going to end the war it s like saying we should give up the war against germany. if we leave afghanistan? by the way suppose pakistan was our enemy. they are not. not saying they re great people. ben: they re not at all. neil: well, all i know is it started around 230-240 million it s up now to close to a billion, 900 million i d still argue we got a lot further to go that s a drop in the bucket for warren buffet. when people are building schools and bridges in this country as opposed to other countries this is what they re talking about. ben: we could do both. no reason. we could do both we wouldn t be $20 trillion in debt. neil: i wish we had more time unfortunately we do not and i think you save time by talking over one another which i think is a good goal. by the way you should try it. charles: [laughter] neil: meanwhile forget sanctuary cities now illegal immigrants have their first sanctuary state and the acting ice director ain t too happy about it. california bert hold on tight they re about to see a lot more special agents a lot more deportation officers in the state of california. if the politicians in california don t want to protect their communities then ice will. today on forbes on fox as iran continues cracking down on anti-government protesters the u.s. is cracking down on iran with new sanctions over its ballistic missile program. this is more proof the iran nuclear deal is not working. plus, new york governor cuomo says his state is suing over the federal tax cut law that s a new report showing americans are fleeing high tax states like his, so should he forget about suing and focus on cutting taxes. we ll see you at the top of the hour. mepresenting evidence, nobody does it better. she s also this close to finding bigfoot. but when it comes to mortgages, she s less confident. fortunately for megan, there s rocket mortgage by quicken loans. it s simple, so she can understand the details and get approved in as few as eight minutes. apply simply. understand fully. mortgage confidently. rocket mortgage by quicken loans. live from america s news headquarters in washington good saturday morning to you i m leland vittert. the trump administration providing new details on a signature campaign promise, building a voila long the southern border. the president now asking congress for $18 billion over 10 years to expand the current wall the plan includes more than 700 miles of new fences and replacing existing barriers. apple is now warning customers about two hardware bugs. the tech giant confirming that devices from iphones to ipads even mac computers are all vulnerable to what s called spec ter and meltdown. the bugs could let hackers steal sensitive information like passwords and apple says so far no customers have been affected. it s cold outside the northeast glad you re home inside and warm with us. i m leland vittert, now back to cavuto on business. we got to work with the department of justice and needs to do a couple things number one they need to file charges against the sanctuary cities and number two hold back through funding and another thing they need to do is hold these politicians personally accountable. i mean, more citizens are going to die because these policies and these politicians can t make these decisions and be held unaccountable for people dying. i mean, we need to hold these politicians accountable for their actions. neil: all right, not a very happy acting ice director that interview that create created some buzz because he does not like what he s seen in california where they e essentially made the entire state a sanctuary state and says it sends a bad signal and makes it tougher for him to do his job and catch the bad guys. ben what do you think? ben: i think that this is essentially a rebellion by the state of california and very much like the beginning of civil war except the state of california firing on fort sumter we have these legal challenges by california saying we can over ride the constitution of the united states and declare ourselves basically a sovreign country independent of what the constitution says about who controls immigration. i think it is very very close to the beginning of a civil war. i hope it s not, just with litigation but something close to a civil war. neil: adam what do you think? adam: i think this is far more of a political situation and while the acting ice director is 100% right in everything that he said he s within his rights to do what he suggested he do, the administration ought to think twice about being so antagonistic to the largest, to the richest to the post populous state in the union. this is a political conversation that needs to happen between washington and california. neil: charles? charles: i do think it s funny you don t think pakistan should think twice but california should think twice, but having said that, you know i m generally a space rights person but i think there s things like the civil rights issues in the 1960s where the federal government has to step in and this is enough of an issue where people s safety and economics play such a role that i just think it s wrong. neil: but what specifically is wrong? charles: the sanctuary cities and the economic strain even no matter how rich california is and also the safety issues i think override the state s rights they presume to have here neil: all right, so charlie gasparino then, the acting ice director wants to follow scary guy. neil: oh, yeah you don t want to mess with him. there s a few people i would not mess with. neil: but now he comes in and he wants to get into california city or town where they re harboring a fugitive and suspect illegal alien and that opens up a pandora s box and would like to sue and take action but he can t because the state is protecting those illegals. it s a real, you know legal limbo. i think charles is right and it s a subject we ve talked about on the show in the past. there s certain things the federal government is supposed to do. protecting our borders keeping criminals out of the country is one of them and you know, for a state to sort of disa vow that, that right is a cans kin had to we re going to get a ton of nasty comments, media matters but it s almost like george wallace standing in front of the door of the school. ben: exactly. neil: and that s kind of what you like en it to. kennedy what do you think of that? i think that i agree with adam in that this is so incredibly politicized that it s no longer about practical policy or irrational thinking. neil: but does the state have a legal right to protect illegals? the federal government has to craft its own immigration policy i think our federal government has failed and both parties have failed. neil: taking over that responsibility and the federal government wants to crack down on it. there s so much confusion that the federal government has allowed states to politically profit off of that and that s exactly what they re doing. the federal government has to get together and they have to say that this is our rulebook these are the rules this is what s happening from now on. they haven t been doing that. neil: so let s say it s a national guard like it was during the racial riot comes into i don t know san francisco and you have a standoff. ben: arrest jerry brown. arrest jerry brown. neil: is that a possibility? charles payne? charles: you d hope i would hope that maybe they bo work this up to the supreme court and get it adjudicated with that. you withhold aid but ben is a lawyer. explain it. does the state have a right to impose ben: of course not. of course not. under the constitution, this is clearly a federal responsibility and i don t think that extremely scary looking man [laughter] ben: and sacramento and arresting jerry brown and putting him in leg irons. i d like to see that for very different reasons. neil: well look at that. we ll see in the meantime president trump is taking to kim jong-un over twitter and now mainstream media is taking the president ongoing so far as to question the guy s sanity and don t get me started on the nuclear button thing, after this mayhem? what are you doing up there? i m a lightning rod. waiting to protect your home from a lightning strike. it s my new years resolution. whatever. can you get my plane? yeah, i don t do planes. i just do lightning. neil: critics going nuclear over the president s nuclear button tweet but are some in the media taking it way too far plus if you missed out on this milestone don t worry our guys have the picks ready to make you companies need medicated and hospitalized at this point or he is going to just kill all of us. this is dangerous this is childish this is unpresidential. it s not befitting to the leader of the free world. he s not merely being cavalier with a threat about nuclear war. he s being cavalier in a way that makes him seem de meanted. neil: and we were not talking about gasparino. [laughter] neil: critics going nuclear over the president s nuclear button tweet but suggesting he be hospitalized kennedy come on. no, joy heart is just trying to get a little bit of attention bless her heart. oh, sweetness she s trying to breakthrough the static and she s done it because we re talking about her that that has with the help of this michael wolff become book becomes a new narrative that the president is mentally incapacitated he has to be removed from office. neil: ben? ben: shocking irresponsible, slander, insane on the part of the people calling it the idea of the women on the view calling donald trump insane is just so crazy i can t even stand it. trump is a wacky guy. he s a strange, funny guy but the idea of calling him insane just doesn t make any sense. this is a man whose been wildly successful in business and politics the idea to think he s mentally incapacitated just makes no sense at all. neil: adam i think what prompted the nuclear button comment which just seemed to say it s one thing for the leader of north korea to talk that way another thing for the president to talk that way, you say? adam: i totally agree with that. i think people who are not psychiatrists should stay away from making psychiatric pronouncements but i think our president should behave in a far more dignified way. neil: by the way i don t psychiatrists should do it either without visiting said patient. adam: that s correct. ben: absolutely right. neil: gasparino? no psychiatrist would do it. so that s why this is outrageous but the president has somewhat responsibility here. he says crazy stuff. i mean, i m not saying he s crazy he says it and he should stop. he should stop. neil: charles payne what do you think? charles: i think the critics are getting too personal and i think it s creating a dangerous situation for everybody. neil: kennedy does he push his own buttons though doing it? absolutely and the point was made the other day that he actually had a good tweet earlier on when he talked about the sanctions working well against north korea but then he responded kim jong-un in sort of undercut his initial message which was more in line with nikki haley and rex tillerson. neil: which is what you are. what did he call steve bannon now he doesn t like him? sloppy steve. neil: well i want to thank you charlie, kennedy very very much in the meantime it s the energizer market really just keeps going and going. topping 25,000, could get 30,000 how does this go and what do you invest into keep it going after this. 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[laughter] all right. i ve got that. you asked, neil. neil: i asked. guys, happy new year to all of you, david asman continues our cost of freedom block. you re watching business, you re watching fox. david: iranian hardliners are holding rallies of their own and the trump administration is saying that it s proof that the obama deal was flawed. i m david asman and let s focus with more with steve forbes, sabrina schaeffer, john tamny and capri. next friday is the deadline to certify or decertify iranian compliance with the deal? should we decertify the deal? yes, it s the biggest source of terrorism in the worrell.
kicks in. and this video shows mccabe leaving home and he went to main justice here on washington to plead his case and preserve his government pension. the most likely outcome, his pension will be reduced. the recommendation grew out of the independent review of the justice department s handling of the hillary clinton case. and fox news was told that mccabe was not forth coming and may have deliberately misled them or lied. after james comey was fired. mccabe testified that he and the bureau are above politics. has it impeded, interrupted or negatively impacted any of the work or investigation or ongoing projects in the federal bureau of investigations. there is no effort to impede. you cannot stop the men and women from the fbi for doing the right thing and protecting the american people and upholding the constitution. there is anger over mccabe and the amount of shame. if he is not fired former agents expect it will shift to christopher ray. a more junior agent would be fired for lying for cause. reaction from the former congressman and fox news. colonel, the clock is ticking. how would you handicap this for us? it is good to be with you, charles. and catherine herridge laid the case out. if you recall, gretta coined an incredible phrase. washington d.c. is the city of no consequence. if it is allowed to happen, there will be a message to every day americans, you can mislead and lie and deceive and still get to skate away. we saw it with lois lerner and the irs. you and i served in the united states military and one of the things i told subordinate soldier and commanders. once you sacrifice and give up your integrity. i have no need of you. this director was guilty of lying and misleading and you know, leaking important information. and why should the american taxpayers pay him for the rest of his life. to that point, catherine made the point of rank and file. what is happening to folks much highener the food chain and misdeeds and misconduct along the way. and if he is not disciplined in the same manner he would discipline one of them, surely this would crush them there? you are right. that s what you see in a unit. if a senior commander or officer is able to get away with something that the private and corporate and sergeants knew they could not do. that destroys the unit. who is the fbi agent that did not pass on the tip and information related to nikolas cruz? it is it those types was cancers that you have in the federal bureau of investigation that the rank and file agents every day are sick and tired them being castigated in the same lump of distrust. that s what we have in the federal bureau of investigation. what do you make of counting down the clock? this decision hasn t already been made and scrutiny and attorney general jeff sessions and the other things that have gone on recently? this is a cut-and-dried case. soon as the a ig report was released, the attorney general should have taken the action and now allowed it to come down to the last-minute decision. leadership is taking the hard right over the easy left and attorney general sessions needs to make the decision. i don t see what he s waiting around for. there is some disagreement on whether the entire pension or lose rank or some mechanism to mitigate or lower the pension; is it possible to receive that pension? that is the decision that the american taxpayer should be able to make. one of the greatest disgrace that you can have in the united states army is conduct unbecoming and therefore you would lose your pension if you look at having a full career. he did not serve with honor all the way to the last moment of his time and service there with the federal bureau of investigations and it is no consequences that frustrates people. if you and i had a private e-mail service in our barracks or quarters and doing classified. we would not be here. we would be in fort leavenworth. and the independent review of the fbi, their own inspector general who came to this conclusion, it makes it feel like it is a slam dunk, and why all of the drama? that is the thing. i know it is march madness. i rather see the drama on the basketball court. it would be madness for andrew mccabe to retire with full pension. lois lerner, how many times did she plead the fifth amendment? and whatever the reason the former governor of virginia was able to give hundreds of thousands to his wife for a pension campaign. he ought to finance his own pension as well. the american public would like to see and sort of be able to trust and believe in the fbi as preimminent law agency. are you comfortable with the folks in charge there or should there be additional changes? no, we have something wrong with or at the head of the snake up there in washington d.c. and we need to have a wholesale change. the american people see an incredible amount of hypochrissy and the rank and file fbi agents see it. and something needs to change. if you can t trust the number one law enforcement agency in the united states of america, who can you trust. thank you for much colonel west. always appreciate it. and now the deadly bridge death. six deaths have been confirmed, but officials say the death toll could go higher. steve is in miami with the latest. reporter: charles, surveillance video released a short time ago shows the moment when the concrete bridge collapsed. a number of cars were stopped and eight of those cars were penned. six people were killed. alexa duran, 18 years old, a political science major here in fiu and was in a gray toyota suv and her heart broken father posted in spanish. my little girl was trapped in the car and couldn t get out. agony for him and five other families. it is difficult to reach the dead inside of the rubble. we have seen jackhammer and digging to get out. it is tough to reach them. we ll see two investigations on one hand, a police homicide investigation and ntsb investigation into the bridge to try to determine what made it fall. that investigation is likely to take a week before we can get any answers at all to this tragedy. back to you. thank you very much steve. we ll see how it happen and make sure it never happens again. forget about the russians meddling in our election. now they are meddling in our every way of life. we ll be right back. you might take something for your heart. or joints. but do you take something for your brain. with an ingredient originally found in jellyfish, prevagen is the number one selling brain-health supplement in drug stores nationwide. prevagen. the name to remember. .with its high-tech cameras and radar. .contemporary cockpit. .three hundred and sixty degree network of driver-assist technologies. .and sporty performance. .what s most impressive about the glc? 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we have stopped paying attention to this and just as we stopped getting anxious and although we have never been about newer and newer sanctions. he actually called it unfair and despicitable. and it looks to me like they were caught red handed. back to you. and that has mike concerned. and that is hitting the grid and it seems to be extremely vulnerable. andna is top risk. and typically always the same three. russia and china and iran. and military and others and say what is it that keeps you up at night. and it is an attack on our power grid and normally our power grid. and at the end of the day aging infrastructure. that would never be designed to with stand physical terror attacks or cyber attacks. and it is not only on the past two years as some are seeming to apply. the russian and chinese are the number one of cyber shenanigans. they are probing and testing and trying to map out our critical intrastukture through cyberspace. it is going on for a better part of the past decade. charles: to your point, it is suggested that these are test runs. you know, to define vulnerabilities. and like it could be a bad actor. and someone more nefarious and can go in there and cripple uls. and we are vulnerable and could be crippled at this moment. whether it is it a state sponsor entitties and kremlin backed, or hackers or anarchist, whomever. i am simplifying. there is two reasons for the poking. power grid and water and transportation sector, it is either to gather information from a research development and economic espionage. and oftentimes it is mapping for the future and looking for ways into the command and control. and that is infrastructure. and that is when the next war is fought. and weep are slow in dealing with this and from our political perspective. and the pentagon is still grappling with the idea of what constitutes an act of war. charles: mike baker, thank you very much. thank you, charles. charles: the dow closed higher today and stocks and dow and s&p 500 all lower this week. more after this. no, please, please, oh! 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well, thank you for having me today, charles. first of all, my condolences of the loved ones of the six family and freshmeneds. it is a horrible tragedy. you know, charles, transportation is business communication and that is all about local economies and america s infrastructure is about the national economy. and when we see crashes like this bridge, collapses like this bridge and of america s infrastructure, that is a concern for all of us. and the america s crumbling infrastructure here. but in this case, helping to build new infrastructure and safe practice. and so we rebuild. charles: oliver, we are hearing that there was a stress test. and of course, when we heard that. most people were shocked that there would be traffic going on while you have a stress test. and cables involved and something went horribly wrong there. yeah. the key thing missing here is a midsupport span. 170 foot span bridge, charles. and there needed to be a midtower support. when you spring it to the other side of the highway you need support in the middle. and our calculations have shown that this produced 140 percent increase. and that is what caused the collapse. and when you have a negative bending moment there that supported the curvature and you put it in a 87 foot span and it was carrying five and tons per linier foot across the bridge and that is way too heavy. we had a 147 decrease and bending stresses that are taking part in the middle of the span and more importantly based on the way you look at it. bridge support and in this case. and how could be support. charles: you are starting to break up here. we ll have an official report in a week or so. but is your assessment that it could have been avoided? this tragedy? yes, it could have been avoided, charles and i have a article on my website and i tweeted it out that explains the cause that i described for you on the crash. charles: oliver, thank you for the expertise and we ll check out that article. thank you. charles: the criticism of hillary clinton s comments on women continues. have democrats have had enough of the blame game and hillary? sfx: muffled whistle text alert. i m your phone, stuck down here between your seat and your console, playing a little hide-n-seek. cold. warmer. warmer. ah boiling. jackpot. and if you ve got cut-rate car insurance, you could be picking up these charges yourself. so get allstate, where agents help keep you protected from mayhem. .like me. mayhem is everywhere. are you in good hands? chairmens chairmens a new oped in usa today telling democrats to dump hillary clinton and a few are speaking out against her this week. i can t sugar coat it. she was wrong and clearly it is not helpful. and that is going in to 20/20. and when does he ride off in the sunset? what is the answer? not soon enough. charles: democrats have finally had enough. and jumu, is it that time? i think if we are going to ask that of hillary clinton do we ask that of mike huckabee and rick sanatorium. charles: she is a high ranking person and personality phase of the charles and chosen to be the standard barrier. and i think some democrats are embarrassed by her, aren t you? there are some democrats like the senator from north dakota are in vulnerable races. she is the most vulnerable and she s showing that she s independent. what i know of north dakota, independence and sides, they are very independent and she s running her race smartly and saying what her constituents need to hear from her. and every candidate in november should go in the race thinking the same thing. charles: i will ask you in a minute if hillary clinton should go back in the woods. alley, saying that all conservative women are brainless and listening to their husbands and coerced by their husbands and son and male bosses to do against theiril. we can talk about sxrik all. other republican politicians who are in the game when it is relevant. they are not calling the country racist and submitting to their husbands because we can t think for themselves. we are talking about hillary clinton because she said it this week. i am not interested in the what aboutism. the more she calls people like me, the better it is for republicans. she is a wonderful spokes person for donald trump and he might consider hiring him. and she is effective in reminding republican and democrats think about most americans and that s not only that we are not voting the wrong way. it is not because they care about principle. i either listened to my husband or boss or i am just a racist. charles: or areas that voted for president trump were back wards. she laid it out there and hit a lot of people on a trip to a foreign country, i understand the loyalty factor perhaps. but for the party, and older leaders, i think they are out of step and conner lamb proved that and maybe that s the message to listen to. i am all for the influx of new candidates. we are seeing thousands of candidates especially women stepping up and saying they are going to run for the first time. here s the thing, why is it okay to completely blast people who live on the coast, bhu it is not okay to blast people who live in the middle of america? we are not calling them racist. stop, stop. actually president trump has said very negative things about coastal elites even though he is a coastal elite and his friends in the cabinet are coastal elite. no one says that there is a lot that people contribute. charles: jehmu, but the bottom line, you don t think that the democratic party. we are running out of time should distance themselves from hillary clinton then? she doesn t speak for the democrat party and she speaks for herself. i am done with the double standard when she is told to be quiet and other male candidates do not get the same treatment. she s a free citizen to speak for herself. and the democrats have a specific message to keep it local. charles: and the president of the united states whomever he or she might be, thinks that everybody is an american and represent them. i agree. here is a good one for you. this rich people pay a sign for speeding. they need to money up next. you can t predict the market, but through good times and bad at t. rowe price we ve helped our investors stay confident for over 80 years. call us or your advisor. t. rowe price. invest with confidence. there are two types of people in the world. those who fear the future. and those who embrace it. the future is for the unafraid. charles: so if you get pulled over for speeding, should authorities be able to check your income to determine the price of your ticket? they say absolutely? we ll bring class warfare to the speeding tickets and tell us how it workings. sure, all over the world it does work this way. in america today if mark zuckerberg and the janitor at facebook headquarters get pulled over for speeding, they will owe the same amount of money. we know a 250 speeding ticket is chump change. and that is not a meaningful punishment. bullpen the janitor, that is it a weeks pay and send. and other have day fine. and everybody pays two days of their wages. that bay it is equitable. and everybody faces the same section and deter offenders. charles: finland has done it since 1915. but they have given out tickets hundred thousand dollars. not a deterient per se. shouldn t be stop charging mark 50 bucks for a ham burr oregon should we adjust every aspect of lch to make it more fair? no, fines are meant to be a punishment. you have to attorney uncle of the. . and geoms of punishment is maim malg and that s not why we sell ampurgers. help is an opportunity of familiarity. punishment dprr and there are models all over the world that work. charles: it is a deterient and so is losing your license. it seems that the system in place is pretty good. new york city and madison avenue, i rarely see billionaires rattling down the street at 200 miles per hour. we have a good system in place now, don t we? there are imperical studies not only what you see out of the window. but people of higher income levels break the law more often than the poor. that may be surprising. and in any event we are not only talking about speeding, but civil infractions and serious criminal infractions that is a crime. they might get a year of jail. they get a two and charles: it sounds like a form of social yesterday. and how much should the fine be? if we get a millionaire barrelling down the street in the next hour, what should we find him at in society in it is hard to say. if the median average find. analyst mark buckerera charles: it is not changes the unemployed or indigent person. we have run out much time. thank you very much and it is a compelling taos. ts. ts. to grow more delicious coffee. which helps provide for win s family. all, for a smoother tasting cup of coffee. green mountain coffee roasters. chaos. i m just worried about the house and taking care of the boys. . it s okay. dad took care of us. i am totally blind. and non-24 can throw my days and nights out of sync, keeping me from the things i love to do. talk to your doctor, and call 844-214-2424. on a perfect car, then smash it into a tree. your insurance company raises your rates. maybe you should ve done more research on them. for drivers with accident forgiveness, liberty mutual won t raise your rates due to your first accident. switch and you could save $782 on home and auto insurance. call for a free quote today. liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance. the illegal immigrant accused of shooting and killing kate steinle is now accusing the government of a vindictive prosecution. jonathan hunt is in los angeles with the latest. jonathan? charles, jose zarate claims the feds are trying to punish him because he was acquitted on murder charges. attorney claims in court filings that president trump is part of that vindictive prosecution. the court motion says the original murder charge against him in the killing of kate steinle was highly publicized and that, quote, almost immediately after the death of ms. steinle then presidential candidate donald trump began to use mr. zarate as the symbol of the dangers of illegal immigrants and need for a wall between the united states and mexico. 32-year-old ms. steinle was shot and killed on july 1st, 2015 on a san francisco pier. zarate claimed he had found the gun in question and it fired accidentally when he picked it up. he was found not guilty of murder but guilty of being a felon in possession of a firearm. we reached out to federal prosecutors for reaction to the zarate filing. we have not heard back. charles? charles: jonathan, thank you very much. that does it here. be sure to catch cavuto live tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. eastern. we have the house intel committee brad wynn strum on calls to fire fbi director mccabe. democratic senator ben cardin on some democrats claiming tax cuts are failing in the wake of the special election. kennedy demanding answers from united airlines this after a dog died earlier on a flight this week. the five is next. dana: hello, everyone, i m dana perino along with kimberly guilfoyle, juan williams, jesse watters and greg gutfeld. this is the five. we are awaiting a decision from attorney general jeff sessions on whether he will fire deputy fbi director andrew mccabe before his retirement on sunday. it s a decision that will be consequential for mccabe s financial future with his lifetime pension at stake. will sessions carry through on the recommendation of the fbi s internal recommendation to fire mccabe or overrule it. the controversy is based on allegations mccabe authorized the disclosure of sensitive information to a reporter about the
that s what exactly is happening. the criminals take refuge in these sanctuary cities. and it s very dangerous for our police and enforcement folks. the smugglers traffickers gang members taking refuge. a lot of people in california understand that a lot of people from a lot of other places understand it and they don t want sanctuary cities. these policies release dangerous criminal offenders to prey on innocent people, and nullify the federal law. they are threatening the security of the safety of the people of our country, in the upcoming omnibus budget bill, congress must fund the border wall and prohibit grants to sanctuary jurisdictions that threaten the security of our country. and the people of our country we must enforce our laws and protect our people and i have to say law enforcement, border patrol all the people who have been so good to me all along, they are really doing a job. our job and i think we all understand the job would be a lot easier if we weren t protecting criminals in the sanctuary cities. we had a great talk about it inside. cooperation with mexico is another crucial element of border security. dhs coordinates closely with the mexican law enforcement and we must absolutely build on that cooperation. both countries recognize the need to stem the cross border flow of illegal weapons, drugs, people, and cash i have a great relationship with the president of mexico, a wonderful guy enrique. terrific guy. we are trying to work things out. we will see whether or not it happens. i don t know if it s going to happen. he is a very good negotiator. he loves the people of mexico. and he s working very hard. we ll see what happens. but we have to obviously have a couple of disagreements before we get there. you ll see over the next month whether or not it takes place in this administration, meaning his administration to have an election coming up. i hear they have some very good people running and maybe have some that aren t so good. in any event, we will handle it i want to, again, thank everyone for being here today and i want to, again, call on congress to deliver a budget that protects our homeland and properly funds all of our law enforcement needs. i want to thank the secretary. i want to thank ice and the border patrol agents for their incredible work and their incredible bravery. i want to thank all of law enforcement on the border. it s a dangerous job. it s a tough job. and if you didn t have even these remnant walls. we call them remnant. they have been here for a long time. people don t say that but they have been here for a long time. if you didn t have them, you would have crime in members that far surpass the numbers that you see today. we have cut down and way down on crossings, border crossings because of the job that the border patrol does. and the ones that get through, we have gotten out. ms-13. we are taking them out by the thousands. but we don t want them here in the first place. we don t want them to come in. so this was really a day where we look at the different prototypes of the wall. you see them. the media has seen them. some work very well. some don t work so well. when we build, we want to build the right thing. interestingly, the ones that work the best aren t necessarily the most expensive. something i like about that ring. so, i want to thank everybody for being here. i want to thank, frankly, the media for being here. and we will let the people of our country know that we need safety, we need security at the border and we are getting it, like we have never had it before. but we want to make it perfecto. thank you all very much. thank you folks very much. thank you, everybody. thank you, everyone. just quickly just to thank the president so much for his continued leadership as he says. cdp and ice both put their lives on the line every day to protect the country. we will build this wall so thank you for coming out today. we re building up a tool kit based on what we have learned from the research and development on the prototypes and we look forward to breaking ground very soon and securing our country. thank you gem ebb to the president for his continued leadership. thank you very much. thank you. will you veto a bill with no punishment for sanctuary cities? we re going to see. we re going to look at it we re looking at very, very strongly. sanctuary cities are protecting a horrible group of people in many cases. criminals. and what happened as an example in oakland was a disgrace to our nation. and we just can t let that happen. thank you very much. thank you, everybody. thank you, joe. thank you, joe. there you have it president trump reviewing 8 different border walls that have been proposed. also talking about the reason we need those walls, the crime, the societal costs, billions of dollars and a big focus, of course, on sanctuary cities there as can you hear and earlier he says sanctuary cities are the best friend of the criminal. so obviously president trump very serious about that. other members of the administration down there as well. these prototypes by the way, president trump going as far as saying we may not have to go with the most expensive but certainly we want the most effective. we must keep out the drugs. we must keep out the crime. and all of the other costs that certainly add up to billions and billions of dollars making his case and moving forward with a key promise of his campaign. meanwhile, i want to go to john roberts at the white house with the fallout from the latest shakeup. john? good afternoon to you, charles. and a real treat for the president there who has been talking about building a border wall for so long all during the campaign to finally get an opportunity to go down there and look at the prototypes. his big problem though is getting the money to build it. he has got a lot of heavy lifting in congress to go on that front. in terms of the changes that we see taking place today, swapping out rex tillerson for mike pompeo, this for the president is all about getting somebody for the future who is on the same page as him. the president and rex tillerson often found themselves on opposite sides of the ideological fence, if you will. a number of occasions and on a number of differing issues. with the president now looking at the possibility of sitting down to meet with the north korean leader kim jong un, possible negotiations to denuclearize the korean peninsula and awful lot of trade deals that the president wants to rewrite. he wanted to get somebody in the state department to take the lead on that who thinks a lot like he does. mike pompeo and he have spent an awful lot of quality time together, the cia director frequently down here at the white house to give the president his daily intelligence briefing and the president with nothing but great things to say about pompeo. listen here. i respect his intellect. i respect the process that we have all gone through together. we have a very good relationship for whatever reason chemistry whatever reason it is people get along from. day one i have gotten along well with mike pompeo. i have gotten to know a lot of people very well over the last year. i m really at a point where we are getting very close to having the cabinet and other things that i want. the president saying is he getting very close to having the cabinet that he wants which may indicate there are still a couple more changes to come. the time line for awful this, state department officials said rex tillerson was blindsided by all of this. the first indication he had that he would be fired was when he saw the president s tweet just before 9:00 this morning. white house officials say that s not the case at all. that the chief of staff john kelly called tillerson when he was in africa on friday saying the president wanted to make a change and tillerson was going to have to step aside. tillerson, according to a white house official, asked kelly if the president could wait for him to get back on u.s. soil to do it. tillerson arrived back in d.c. about 4:00 a.m. this morning. five hours later, the president made the announcement. clearly though tillerson was not happy about the whole thing. listen to what he said when he met the press earlier today. i received a call today from the president of the united states a little afternoon time from air force one. and i have also spoken to white house chief of staff kelly to ensure we have clarity as to the days ahead. what is most important is to ensure an orderly and smooth transition during a time that the country continues to face significant policy and national security challenges. what i thought was pretty significant what tillerson said this afternoon, charles, at no point did he thank the president for the ability to serve in his administration. i don t exactly think there is a lot of good blood that will exist between these two going forward. charles charles : i got a feel, john you are absolutely right. thanks, charles: are we headed for fight mike pompeo and potential replacement at the cia gina haspel. let s go now to oklahoma republican senator james inhofe, a member of the armed services committee. senator, thanks for joining us. good to be with you. first your initial thoughts on this move which may not have been a surprise per se. it s been long-rumored. certainly the time is interesting considering all the things going on around the world. you know, i have to say charles on coincidence on another completely unrelated subject, i talked to tillerson over in africa. and he was meeting with a friend of mine in ethiopia. and of course, that was before this happened about a few hours before. so, i had into idea that did was going to happen. it was a surprise to me. you have to keep in mind two strong willed people, successful background. i think it s as you mentioned several times before. he has expressed discontent with tillerson in that role. so, i think he made the decision. and, i mean, look, right now, we have this thing coming in north korea that s going to have to be really well done and if you will remember, pompeo, mike pompeo was very actively involved in the very harsh words that our president used very effectively to kim jong il. i think there is good reason for this. also judged by the stock market reaction certainly economic component of it as well that sort of dovetails with gary cohn leaving the white house, the sort of wall street globalists for lack of a better term being removed and the economic nationalists being placed to drive hard bargains and it looks like the administration is zeroing in on china. we re going way past tariffs steel and aluminum. talking about unfair trade particularly the theft of intellectual property. looks like this administration is prepared to play hard ball. well, i think they are, too. by the way, i was, in on all that china stuff and the south china sea just two weeks ago. and that is a new threat that the president is very much aware of. it s going to have to be handled differently than it has been in the past because we have not seen an aggressive china in quite some time: charles: sir, i know also the border wall is something that s extremely important to you and i m told that you are going to visit in a couple weeks. your thoughts on the president s trip there and still some push back that the administration is getting on this despite the fact that they have laid out all of the reasons, including societal costs and the economic costs of not having one? yeah. i think he has done a good job of that i am seeing a movement. i was a builder and developer for 20 years down in that very area where he is right now. so i have been there watching it. i have been firsthand position to see how well it does work. and i think this president, he made every commitment he has made during his campaign he is trying to keep. and he is really bending over backwards to do that. i think he is down there right now making it very clear. we haven t changed. we re going to get it it s a border wall. until that time, people are dying. and i ve seen this happen before. the people are smuggled across and they are put into every kind of slavery you can be put into. he is sensitive to that one last thing about pompeo. he is so good on other issues, having nothing to do with this issue. i worked with him on keeping gitmo open. is he real strong on that. talked to him that this stupid iran nuclear deal was put together and he was fully aware of that. so, you know, it just goes back. he is the right guy for the right time. to your point, president trump this morning referenced that iran deal, that s one place where he and rex tillerson did not see eye to eye. north korea, of course, and jerusalem being the capital of israel. senator, thank you very much. always appreciate it? thank you, charlie. does the winner in the pennsylvania battle win over tax cuts or why some people are 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hey there, charles. it s apology location where conor voted earlier today. a lot of talk implications of this special election what it might mean for the mid terms later this year. on the ground in pennsylvania, both sides have been cautioning us against reading too much into that. they say it s about the two local candidates involved. rick saccone on the one hand. 60-year-old republican. state legislator, who claims to have been trump before trump was trump. i m telling you he is in a very close race here in a district where the president won by nearly 20 points the last time around. i caught up with him at this location as he was about to vote earlier today. here he is. how are you feeling. i m feeling great. we re excite you had. let me go in and vote for myself, huh? it s a great feeling. well, he did go in and vote for himself. when he came out he was holding up cell phone showing us his son who serves for the air force wanted to skype in and see his dad vote live. he didn t answer many reporter questions about why this race is so close. it s a 33-year-old democrat, former marine, former federal prosecutor named conor lamb who is making it so close. one of the ways he is doing it by running away from the national democratic party by speaking out against the likes of nancy pelosi, by coming out in favor of the president s tariffs, on steel and aluminum. now, we were with lamb earlier today as well when he voted. that was over in mount lebanon. he was saying at the time that he did not think this ways is so much a referendum on the president but he did add this. i think it says a lot about drank enthusiasm around here. people are really excited for this race and i m happy for them that their voice is going to be heard all around the world today. this is a local race. people are voting for either me or rick saccone. i don t think it has anything to do with trump. you know the way these things work, charles it always comes down to turnout. for the republican saccone in the race the key is turning out the so-called trump democrats. many of them union members. they may end up deciding this race this evening. polls close at 8:00. back to you. charles: all right, it s a preview of what s to come in november. let s ask g.o.p. polster robert cahaley. robert, many folks say it feels like two republicans are running. the g.o.p. has poured millions of dollars into this race. the president was there over the weekend. donald trump jr. yesterday. a lot riding on this outcome. you know, it seems like that the lesson of 2016 ought to be that when the democratic party ignores the middle class, the democratic party loses. it s interesting the way that mr. lamb has come back and focused on reaching out. just even in his most recent tweet talking about the tax cuts. he talks about its effect on the middle class. they have figured out what they need to be doing. and this is focusing what they are doing on reaching these middle class voters that have felt abandoned by the democratic party and it s what you are seeing now is a move toward trying to get back to the middle and that s why they are doing well. robert, is he a democrat but running on a populace platform here. is that going to work nationwide? you know, it depends on where the democratic party starts focusing on the if they go the direction of bernie sanders, no. if they start running campaigns like they are running this one and like what have you seen in a few of these other special elections like not even special in virginia, if they start running trying to attract those middle class voters that trump got and taking positions that are more in line with the party we saw in virginia. charles: certainly looks like that s what lamb is trying to pull off here. robert, thank you very much. president trump meantime in california shopping for border walls. and as you might imagine, the protests are beginning to mount. we will keep you there when we come back. trump, you re not welcome here. no hate, no fear you know what s awesome? gig-speed internet. you know what s not awesome? when only certain people can get it. let s fix that. let s give this guy gig- really? and these kids, and these guys, him, ah. oh hello. that lady, these houses! yes, yes and yes. and don t forget about them. uh huh, sure. still yes! xfinity delivers gig speed to more homes than anyone. now you can get it, too. welcome to the party. charles: president trump in southern california moments ago vowing to fight those sanctuary city laws. former ice special agent claude arnold agrees. claude. it s a pleasure to be on the show. charles: thanks a lot. president trump taking a hard line of course attorney general sessions out there laying down the lawsuits that the administration is taking to them. but, a very vocal fight with the not just the state but cities themselves, for instance, the mayor of oakland just belligerently going after president trump and snubbing your nose at the constitution, the supremacy clause and everything else. but, to your point, president trump to the point that i think you want to make here is president trump is fighting back. is that what you want to see? well, yeah. and i think president trump is doing what a president s job is. and it s to preserve the union. and, you know, california is really what is the next step? succession? i mean, immigration regulation is completely within the pursue of the federal government. and for states to be passing laws that obstruct the federal government from doing immigration enforcement really does violate article one of the constitution. i think it s plainly written in there. and, you know, it s something the federal government should take action. charles: claude, were you surprised, the attorney general says not just states but some of these cities are violating the constitution but they are actually shaking down homeland security operations. they are going to these buildings and these facilities and shaking them down. i mean, you talk about succession. it looks like that s an act of war. well, yeah. and i think what you are referring to is the inspection of facilities that detain immigration detainees. it s ludicrous. you know, the federal government exclusively has the authority to detain people for immigration violations or to contract it out to private sector or public sector, you know, sheriffs and police departments. charles: right. for the state to say that they re going to regulate the federal government detaining people for immigration violations is ridiculous. are they then going to start inspecting federal criminal institutions marshalls prisoners and bureau of prison prisoners? it s ridiculous. charles: gave border patrol officials a big shoutout earlier as he visited these 8 prototypes. explain to the audience just what kind of stress, what kind of stress relief it could be to have the border wall and eventually have the removal of these so-called sanctuary city havens? well, look, having physical barriers including a wall is an integral part of any border security strategy. you really have to have it. if the border is insecure, people just pour across, it goes without saying. not only does that encourage illegal immigration but so do sanctuary cities. if you know you can go somewhere where state and local government are going to protect you in violation of the immigration laws, that encourages you to go to those locations. you know, furthermore, you know, i have to add because there is little mention made by the administration of this, but, really, one element that really has to be enhanced is the interior enforcement, specifically worksite enforcement. that is the magnet that attracts people, another magnet that attracts people to come to the u.s. to work. and unless. charles: i m sorry, i was going to recently say we have seen ice step up its efforts in that area against amazing criticism from the mainstream media and others. of course, that is the job of ice. claude arnold thank you very much. really appreciate it. my pleasure. charles: house republicans on the intel committee wrapping up their russia probe. the conclusion? 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we re very happy with the decision by the house intelligence any saying there was absolutely no collusion with respect to russia and it was a very powerful decision, a very strong decision, backed up, i understand they are going to be releasing hundreds of pages of proof of evidence, but we are very, very happy with that decision. it was a powerful decision that left no doubt. charles: president trump praising a decision by republicans on the house intelligence committee to wrap up the russian investigation. the committee announcing yesterday that it found no collusion between the trump campaign and the russians. the house intelligence member and republican congressman from utah chris stewart. congressman, thanks for joining us. the conclusion is no collusion but there are still other investigations out there. president trump said something about releasing hundreds of pages of facts to back this up. it s pik piqued everyone s interest what helped you draw this conclusion. this idea of conclusion not finding any collusion that can t be terribly shocking. a lot of people have been saying it for a long time. senator feinstein, clapper has said it the truth is we haven t seen any evidence of that. so, again, i don t know why that would be particularly surprising to people. now, to your question, the report as we are working through it still, we want to work with our democratic colleagues over the next several weeks, but it s going to be something between 150 and 200 pages. it s a substantial work. we have made a real effort not to be partisan. we don t point fingers. we tried to down play the emotions and just in a very factual way lay out these are our concerns. here is what we found. here are the recommendations. that s the key is we would like the recommendations to be out there and be implemented before the next election. charles: can you share. so worries that you have and some of the recommendations that you might be making? yeah. for example, and i have to hold a lot of that a little close because it hasn t been through security. just generally and, again, things won t surprise people. we want to assure people that we have a process in place to protect the individual voting machines that every county is responsible for. we want to be able to make recommendations about recognizing russia s interference through use of social media and ways that we could counter that or at least make americans aware of that we want to work with our european allies who are experiencing the much the same thing as they have in the past. and one other example is the threat of cyber attacks that more directly affect our campaigns, for example, against the dnc as we have seen and against republican emails as well. so, i think under a large umbrella, that gives you a sense of some of the things that we have been looking at. charles charles 150, 200 pages sounds hefty, but there are a lot of folks out there that believe this was a witch-hunt from the very beginning. do you feel after going through the process and coming up with the conclusion that your committee has, that there was some credibility or at least a credible reason to go through this exercise in the first place? oh, yeah, absolutely. look, we live in very partisan times. it s too bad that something like this would have become so partisan and so divided. it certainly wasn t our intention. and, frankly, it shouldn t be. and any president other than pump that we were associated with, i don t think it would have been as partisan. anything regarding this president just breaks down along partisan lines unfortunately. yeah, absolutely it was important for us to go through this process. it s critical for us, as we look toward the future to say how can we counter this? how can we do better? if not then i tell you 2018 is going to be just as bad as 2016 and 2020 is going to be just a complete mess if we don t put our arms around this and get better at education folks. charles: to your point we heard there was a massive russian involvement attempt russian involvement in italian elections as well. something that s not unique to america. having said that your democratic colleagues, i suppose they will be coming out with their own version or their own conclusion. is there any chance it could be significantly different than the findings that republicans came to? i think on the heart of these recommendations and these findings, i think there is going to be bipartisan support for this. we tried to be nonpartisan, very factual. i think there is much of this they will agree with. we look forward to working with them over the next few weeks to find mutual agreement. some of in this i suppose they probably will differ with us. we welcome them to put their own comments into this report. they are more likely to do their own report. but, once again, the majority of this isn t partisan. it isn t divisive. it s just common sense. and i think that when people see the redacted portion of our you know, unclassified portion of our analysis, i think most americans are going to see and appreciate that. give us a sense since have you gone through your own process here of potentially how much longer the mueller investigation will drag on? yeah. i wish i knew. i mean, i think you could argue about mr. mueller himself hasn t found evidence or collusion in the indictments that he had. none of them have anything at all to do with collusion between trump campaign and any russian officials. so, it would seem to me that that s kind of his area as well. but, once again, we don t coordinate with mr. mueller. he is in a different realm. he is looking at things that we don t have the capacity nor the charter to look at. i hope he ends quickly just for this reason. the american people deserve to know. there is no reason why this should go on year after year. charles: absolutely. real quick, point on that. democrats gave us a list of like 90 or 87 witnesses. many of those witnesses we will never be able to interview. russians. in one case a man who passed away. if you say you can t conclude this till you view these people you would never conclude. let s do this as quickly as we can. you are right. the american public would like to have the answers now. it s been a long time. we appreciate you coming on. yeah, thank you. it s good to be with you. charles: i should let you know we have reached out to all democrats on the house intel committee to respond. so far none of them were available. president trump replacing rex tillerson at state with cia director mike pompeo. who will this shakeup impact the meeting with north kore korea? 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well, i think that the level of trust that has been demonstrated between the president and his director of cia is quite self-evident. he spendz a good part of his week and every day at the white house briefing the president on a full spectrum of intelligence matters. and i believe that relationship has only become stronger over the last year. and for that matter, i think that seeing eye to eye on a number of these issues should not be mistaken for director pompeo soon to be secretary of state pompeo s ability to actually tell the president what he thinks and where he thinks the president may be off track and where he, in fact, is on track. charles: david, we have less than a minute. how will this impact the iranian situation? can we expect ultimately for that deal to be pulled? i think what will happen over the course of the next several months is that secretary pompeo in that new position will bring to bear, again, the pressure of our european allies and others to really hold that iran nuclear deal to the fullest extent of what the agreement was all about. and in the absence of that, either a re-do of that agreement. charles: right. or withdrawal outright. charles: of course, we would like to see accountability also. thank you very much. we appreciate it in the meantime, folks, i want to take a look here at miramar marine air base station ratherner san diego, california. president trump will be speaking very soon. we are going to bring threw as soon as he starts to speak. call us or your advisor. t. rowe price. invest with confidence. hey, sir lose-a-lot! thou hast the patchy beard of a pre-pubescent squire! thy armor was forged by a feeble-fingered peasant woman. your mom! as long as hecklers love to heckle, you can count on geico saving folks money. boring! fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. 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[bong!] charles: fox all over the place. up 200, down 200 all after the state department mike pompeo seems to be on the same page with respect top trade. is that going to spark new fears of a trade war? let s ask fox business network charlie gasparino and charlie rocha. charlie, i have got to tell you the economic nationalism is back and stronger than ever. well, tomorrow, we might see an economic nonnationallist come the head of the nec, larry kudlow, we don t know. and, you know, here is one thing i will say markets generally despise the trade stuff. the protectionist stuff. there is other stuff going on too in the markets. there was a small increase in inflation. i don t think that had much. charles: we were up after that number. i agree. some people trying to attribute it to that. i agree with you. there is the looming pennsylvania house race where it looks like the republicans are going to lose a seat, which will put tremendous if the republicans lose the house, man, they are going to be roasting donald trump for the next year. so, the democrats, then who knows what is going to harassment the markets are jittery for a lot of reasons. i will say this though, if larry kudlow gets in there tomorrow and this is what i think is going to happen. republicans will lose that house seat. charles: sure, sure. i have been wrong before. they will lose the house seat. they will announce kudlow and the markets will go down on losing the house seat and up on kudlow. charles: that s an interesting scenario. catherine, have you two globalists out in the last couple of weeks. you have two folks who really tea party candidate when he was in kansas mike pompeo, of course, peter navarro, we know wilbur ross. these are folks really serious about bringing back manufacturing and stopping china from ripping us off and now it seems like president trump is squarely on board with that as well. yeah, i think there is something, charles that we need to talk about which is the demistification of free trade. free trade is fantastic concept and i agree with it we don t have it with japan or china or europe. free trade is by definition the free flow of goods without any restrictions. there are restrictions right now. so i think it s important to keep in mind. charles: we place restrictions too though, don t we? charles: yeah, every country in the world has tariffs. no doubt about that. most favored nation is 7% around the world. but, chuck, you know, this may be one thing wall street doesn t like but i think it s something that voters like. in fact, your candidate lamb is running on this sort of same economic nationalism. you are never going to lose in campaign fuss are talking about bringing jobs back to america or putting america back to work even if you say it s going to cost you three more cents per can of beer. if that three cents is going towards an american worker, it s a win every time. smartest political decision no matter what the stock market does because the economy is doing good no. matter what the stock market does, it s a beautiful thing for the president to be able to talk about the distract from lots of things because it makes america have hope again and feel like the old days are coming back with manufacturing jobs that can support a family. i think the problem with the tariff thing. those jobs are never coming back. maybe save a few jobs in a very automated industry which is steel and aluminum production which is already losing jobs based on automation. did you sebring the jobs back, he already has the vote. a lot more over here in automotives and that could hurt donald trump in other areas. charles: at this point both you guys have legitimate points next salvo in all of? a lot of people don t understand the u.s. trade representative robert went after investigation last august, section 301, the trump administration now, forget about steel and aluminum. they goal after china strong, very strong on the theft of intellectual property like no administration has done before. i think that s going to upset the markets. i agree. i think pompeo was very strong on that. so absolutely intellectual property has been an issue with china and i suspect that he will go targeted to that. i mean, we had this brouhaha with nafta. nafta isn t going: the steel tariffs really they don t affect china. my contention is that they re unlikely to start a trade war in the sense that the most likely scenario. they just hurt our friends. negotiate: they are exempted. canada is the number one importer for us of steel they are exempted. our friends are exempted. charles: one second, catherine. i just want to alert of the audience that president trump is arriving in miramar, san diego. he is going to be speaking there very shortly. your point is great, i think. i think when i talk to market players, this whole thing about lighthizer and the 301 and chinese stealing our intellectual property, if you are worrying about markets, you make a great point there. every sophisticated trader i know is say going we get into a match with them on this and they come back at us because this is where they will be tough, it can really rattle the markets. this could be a real problem. charles: chuck, again, and i think this is something that is going to resonate very well with not just the folks in the heart land but maybe silicon valley as well. we are talking up to $600 billion a year in theft. that s exactly right. when you go out and we have been running campaigns all over the country and i m guy on the tv right now that runs campaign force living. we focus group. this we go out and talk to voters all the time about the resurgence back in and the foreign competition. and we talk about the stock market because a lot of middle america has a lot of their wealth tied up in the stock market. the capital that you are talking about, voters actually get it. guess what, older voters have that capital. guess what? they vote every single time. charles: catherine, what are you telling people to do in the market. i m less scared about a trade war. i think it s a risk. what i m more scared about is fiscal policy. tax cut round 2 plus additional spending. charles: he is stepping up to the podium. let s hear what he has to say. marine station miramar. third marine aircraft wing and the mighty miramar. thank you very much. and we re here today to celebrate your incredible achievement. so relax, be at ease, and let s have a good time for a couple of minutes, okay? [cheers] and thank you for being here, darrell. colonel, i want to just thank you and colonel woodworth, i salute you both. you are tremendous, the job you ve done. you lead the third marine aircraft wing and the miramar marines with the excellence and honor for which this corps is admired all throughout the world they talk about you. i want to thank all of the incredible soldiers, sailors, airmen and coast guardsmen who traveled here today from the stations all across the san diego region. i have a message for you, straight from the heart of the american people. and do you know what that is? we support you, we thank you, we love you, and we will always have your back like you have ours. thank you. 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