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Rewarding. they are releasing a whole lot of dopamine in our brain's reward circuitry. >> you're making it sound to me, with no credentials in this disregard, as booze, gambling or sex. is it just the same in that regard? >> it really is just the same. so the process of getting addicted to a drug is very similar to the process of getting addicted to a device or to digital media. people start out for one of two reasons. to have fun or to solve a problem. the problem can range from loneliness and boredom to anxiety and depression. if it works, people return to using it. the problem is, over time...

Reinforcing. tiktok really is the equivalent of crack cocaine. i know for myself that the first time i used tiktok, i used it for 3 consecutive hours before i knew what happened. we knew a sense of time when we're chasing dopamine. these digital products are engineered to be addictive, and we are individually and collectively becoming addicted to these devices. >> when your book on dopamine came out two years ago, maybe a little less, you wrote an essay in the "wall street journal." you told a story about a 20-year-old, very, very bright, suffering from anxiety and depression related to this v...

One student describes feeling a lot happier and a lot more self-aware. that reaction probably less surprising to my next guest. dr. lemke is the author of "dopamine nation," finding balance in the age of indulgence. she's from the stanford university school of medicine. what is dome pamine, and what d it have to do with my smartphone? >> dopamine is a chemical we make in our brain. it's fundamental to pless asure reward and motivation, and key to getting addicted. when we do something that is rein reinforcing, whether it is ingesting a substance or engaging in a behavior, we release dopamine i...