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Talk with amy pope, now an associate fellow with chattham house. thank you very much for coming on and talking about this. it's an interesting report by "the new york times," saying an aggressive strategy by the u.s. is long overdue, after years of warnings from homeland security and the fbi. do you agree the u.s. has been slow to act? >> i don't agree that it's been slow to act. but what is going on that is interesting is that the u.s. is publicly reporting what its doing. for some time, the u.s. has been engaging in offensive and defensive maneuvers to protect cyber infrastructure. the fact ...

They're concerned that donald trump will see the writing on the wall when it comes to his administration. and for the sake of political survival, do a political u-turn, and instead of being the kremlin's candidate, he will become anti-russian, adopt anti-russian policies. opportunistically. and that's something i think that russian officials are concerned about now. what will it lead to when it comes to the trump administration's stance towards russia? >> matthew chance joining us live from moscow. just after 11:00 in the morning. many thanks. jacob pair guy lass joins us now, from london. t...