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stephanie ruhle. speaker kevin mccarthy may hav won the battle to pass raising the debt limit, but now he i on a collision course with the -- urged president biden to make deal to give the u.s. from default, and economic disaster >> now the president can n longer put this economy in jeopardy, we - we have sent it to the senate. the majority of american overwhelmingly want us to si down and negotiate it is up to them now >> this afternoon, biden again insisted negotiations were out of the question. >> i'm happy to meet with, mccarthy but not on whether or not the debt limit get extend...

-- >> i think that stuff is by my count -- trump has moved to block their executive privilege, and los on all of them so far. and, the include everyone from -- who is pensive chief aides, to mark meadows who has his own chief aide -- i don't think he will take tha risk with mike pence, i thin he also knows that mike penc already has caveats on his testimony, under the - we don't know what those, ar but donald trump does. so i think he's willing to tak that risk, and preserve th supreme court when he really needs them >> let's stay on political risks steward, today the montana house voted to ba...

Them. chief aides of donald trump. i think when people say there is a witch hunt or that this is all a hoek, we have to investigate. >> do you get push back? the president said my voters don't get it welcome some guy comes out of the blue to conduct an investigation. he is not out of the blue and the president is not the president of his voters, he is the president of everybody, but he is creating a narrative that this is out of nowhere. >> the people overwhelmingly elected us to be in the minority, they are worried about a culture of corruption that gripped the white house. i don't think they...

Just for a couple of months. so it's an open question like if he's just spouting off in this michael wolf book, and itor if knows something that was hearsay from before he got on the campaign. >> but this whole exchange just sort of leaves the impression regardless of what he knows or doesn't know, that the white house has instructed him not to talk, so at the same time the white house who's saying there's nothing to see here is telling one of the president's chief aides and strategists not to talk to these guys. is the white house nervous? >> they have been backsliding from their pledge of fu...