St. louis, we heard a similar comment in the new york times today, i believe from the police chief in -- i believe it was milwaukee, i may be wrong, saying there seems to be young men in poor neighborhoods, more willing to use guns to settle beefs or even petty disputes than before. you've seen that in sane the louis as well? >> absolutely, and you're right, it was a decision that these young people make, they would rather get caught by law enforcement with their gun than without a gun by their peers, i think it's a culture shift, the mind shift that's really cost us the problem. >> sam dodson...