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And the matter at hand is a phone call that the president of the united states admits he has with the leader of ukraine and which the president of the united states admits he pressured the leader of the ukraine to investigate his chief rival in the presidential race for 2020. judge napolitano reported that if he did what he said he did, that's a crime and that is the reason that democrats and the house of representatives are now moving toward impeachment action of some kind. and that is what vice president biden, the former vice president and now candidate on the democratic side of the preside...

He'll be doing the same thing. and the long-term, what's happening he's just going to set a series of precedents that the next time there's a democratic president, they'll pocket these behaviors and we'll do the same things if they want are i see it as a systemic structural thing here, right? it's what republicans tolerate is what he gets away with. until that changes, he'll just keep pushing. >> and of course we should just note, by the way, this call happened the day after mueller testified. and the testimony that was widely seen, certainly by the president, as good for him, right? so then h...

To investigate his chief rival who's up 14 points now in most polls in the united states. >> we have nbc news chief person to counter-richard engel with us here on set. it was almost three years ago when he had this report about the coalition assault on the iraqi city of mosul. >> in one sense i think it was politically timed. i think the mosul campaign, there was an objective to get in done while president obama is still in office. the rise of isis in rack and syria, the birth of the so-called caliphate has probably been the blackest stain on the obama administration. and i think there was a ...

The suburban voters. they won in 2018. don't want to see a major movement on impeachment until the process plays out. so speaker pelosi, as ever, holding this party together, but it's a fragile peace. >> robert, anything else from democrats as far as what they were hoping to hear as opposed to mistakes made on the stage in their view? >> the most interesting thing i picked up in the last few minutes is some of the rival camps are saying vice president biden had a chance tonight to not only escape major issues but to go after senator warren. you saw some of his allies like former pennsylvania g...

Their view? >> the most interesting thing i picked up in the last few minutes is some of the rival camps are saying vice president biden had a chance tonight to not only escape major issues but to go after senator warren. you saw some of his allies like former pennsylvania governor ed rendell attack senator warren on the fundraising front. vice president biden avoided that kind of confrontation tonight, but that kind of confrontation, biden allies and other top democrats say that still looms on the horizon. what is he going to do to confront his chief rival at this time in the coming months? >...