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>> a lot of people heard a lot in that sentence. all we can say now is he stated fact. i'm joined now by two legal experts to discuss the draft position, and we're going from here, argued 45 cases in the court and jennifer is an assistant law professor at george mason university. clarence thomas. the circuit level if i have that right. welcome to both of you. hopefully you can take us inside the court a little bit. the leak, this decision was not the first leak. there was a first leak and it was a few days before, "the wall street journal" editorial report, the oral argument suggested that fiv...

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Deal with this. >> thanks so much. appreciate it. let's discuss this with our august panel. trump and his lawyers are arguing that this whole case about submitting white house records poses a unique conflict between a sitting president and former president. you. >> he has a point. of course that doesn't necessarily excuse him from consequences if he broke the law, right? >> right. that is certainly correct. what is important to remember, too, is that a previous court, the reason this issue is at the supreme court in the first place, is that previous federal courts at a district level, the circ...

And now, of course, the balance of the court being with the 5-4 conservative majority. could get interesting. bottom line, brooke, that democrats likely won't see these financial documents at any point soon. this will continue to play out in the courts. brooke? >> your last point about the supreme court and precedent siding with congress is so, so important. and good enough to stay on a little more friday with me. thank you, and our legal analyst is back also. surface level, how big of a legal blow is this? >> significant ruling and at the circuit level which is the appellate level 2-1. a sign...

Of new york. we've done the same thing in washington, d.c. we think we'll win at the d.c. circuit level. ultimately the supreme court may have to resolve this. >> so much of the focus was on gun policy and you talk about where we are vis-a-vis this president. out can't be looking at him in any way as a good-faith negotiator. you look what he said about gun policy in dayton and el paso, gilroy right before that. what is the path forward? you and your colleagues come back to washington early to talk about gun policy. we have a president who has said one thing yet again and has done another. how ...