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We'll try to get more information. but president trump was there. and then he left. it looks like he was there for roughly ten minutes. joel, pick up your thought, sorry about that. >> sure thing, no problem, used to donald trump interrupting our train of thought here. so anyways, you know, pelosi, i think, was really loathe to move forward on this. but i think she's being boxed in. i checked in with a couple sources in the house democratic caucus. the type of language i'm hearing, hearing things like this is a cleaner argument for impeachment and that this is a turning point, which is a more ...

Who want the rule of law. i think that moving forward with a national emergency declaration muddies the waters for the president because you don't as we're saying with this vote all republicans aren't on board. so i think it's a cleaner argument for the president to draw that contrast. >> bill: let's move on now to the cohen testimony. here is the tweet from last night i do believe, right, from the west wing. for the democrats to interview an open hearing a convicted liar and fraudster as the time as the nuclear summit in north korea is perhaps a new low in american politics and may have contr...

Of big business as we are of big government. but i think a much cleaner argument for the obama team to make is the number 47. bain capital and getting in the mud and fighting about job creation, was there profits or not. because the bottom line is, americans for the most part, they look at people who are successful, who have built something, and they look up to it and applaud. >> right. >> and most americans are exclude enou shrewd enough to know, it was tough. if somebody is going to win a football game, sometimes they block a little harder. if they win in war, they will be a little rougher s...