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Justice department. They argue that trumps former Campaign Adviser carter page was strongly wrongly, rather, surveilled even though a federal judge found probable cause to suspect him of being a foreign agent. And now the president has effectively confirmed what we already knew, that the whole charade is, in fact, intended to defend him from the special counsels probe. As trump tweeted on saturday, quote, this memo totally vindicates trump in probe. Hes like caesar now. He refers to himself in the third person. But the russian witch hunt goes on and on. There was no could he clugs and no obstr...

And papadopoulos. let's ask him. >> in the big picture, carter page, some say what about papadopoulos. they started looking at him earlier. what do you say to that? >> if papadopoulos was such a major figure, why didn't you get a warrant on him? papadopoulos was such a major figure, you had nothing on him. the guy lied. as far as we can tell, papadopoulos never even knew who trump -- never even had met with the president. >> never even met. well, that's not true exactly. there's actually photographic evidence to prove that papadopoulos met the president. papadopoulos photographed in a march of...

Advisers. >> yeah. >> here's the connection between the two. around the same time that carter page is going to moscow and saying all of these very favorable things about the russians, george papadopoulos is saying that we need to send somebody, we, meaning the trump campaign, we need to send somebody to russia but it can't be the big guy. it can't be trump. and low and behold, who goes to russia? carter page. >> yeah. a cutout. thank you so much. that's spy talk, isn't it? anyway, cutout. thank you, paul butler. clint, we miss you. thanks for coming up next. up next, underdogs no more. my te...

Campaign. so it's -- >> yeah. what is this -- you know, it's like a fake foul in sports. they keep calling it -- i'm getting back to clint. it's a fake foul. i was watching the game, some people are pretty good at this, looking like they've had their helmets pulled. they're very good at it. they show the tug. i just wondered whether in the world of spoofs when you deal with spies, is there an assumption that carter page is what he looks like, a fellow traveller, guy working with the russians with the kremlin? >> sure. i think there always is that assumption. you play out the scenarios. the kre...