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Times" revealing the story that his son on his death bed said he wanted biden values, not clinton values, in the white house. i think to anyone, you want to live up to that dying wish, and i think that's a strong pull for him. he's also been trying to lay the groundwork, making the meetings to see how to get in there. i don't know that it makes a lot of sense to get in monday before the debate. i think the ideal time would be the day after the debate, if he's going to do it. >> yeah. all the preparation and things that are going into a debate. but the other thing that's coming up, his team met...

Say to someone is say, like, they want -- you know, they don't want clinton values, they want biden values. i think that was about as deep a wound as you could inflict on somebody else. >> well, i mean, they're so opposite in how they present themselves in a lot of ways. joe biden is sort of the defense of authenticity, where hillary clinton -- >> still, that's why that goes so much deeper and i think shows a huge divide between clinton and biden, to say that. >> oh, yeah, i very much agree with you, and it's probably one of the reasons he's considering getting in, because he is a feeler. i me...

Maureen dowd of "the new york times" revealing the story that his son on his death bed said he wanted biden values, not clinton values, in the white house. i think to anyone, you want to live up to that dying wish, and i think that's a strong pull for him. he's also been trying to lay the groundwork, making the meetings to see how to get in there. i don't know that it makes a lot of sense to get in monday before the debate. i think the ideal time would be the day after the debate, if he's going to do it. >> yeah. all the preparation and things that are going into a debate. but the other thing ...