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Go ahead. Well i think its the last point that i am really interested in its do we want to fight racism and of course the answer to most of us is yes but to fight racism you have to understand where does racism come from whats the cause of racism these symbols of an exploiting society do of course represent the fact that it is an exploitative society what that reminds us is this society is not our society its run it is made up of run by and for a tiny exploiting class and of course they heroes are the ones who are celebrated in the culture that they call ours which is really this and of course...

To discuss this and more im joined by my guest john you are in bristol she is the deputy leader of the Workers Party of britain as well as off the road the drive to war against russia and china her forthcoming book is identity politics and class and in budapest we have George Samuel he is author of bombs for peace natos humanitarian war on yugoslavia right across our girls in the back that music can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it ok lets go to bristol jody what do you do you make of this new secular religion because that its kind of quasi christian you know a little bit of...

In anytime you want and i always appreciate it ok lets go to bristol jody what do you look you make of this new secular religion because that its kind of quasi christian you know a little bit of composers a little bit a bit eventually mentalists style. And you know it has i would this ritual walls it has its humes it has its clergy it has its script sure. And its making everybody miserable and it has nothing to do with fighting racism go ahead well i think its the last point that i am really interested in. Do we want to fight racism and of course the answer for most of us is yes but to fight r...

It is an exploitative society what that reminds us is this society is not our society its run it is made up of run by and for a tiny exploiting class and of course they heroes are the ones who are celebrated in the culture that they call ours which is really their heads and of course for the mass of the workers and exploited around the world these people are not heroes ok but its a reminder of a material reality that we live in a world of exploiters and exploited and that is what is the cause of racism racism comes from the need to divide workers against one another it comes from the need of t...

Go ahead. Well i think its the last point that i am really interested in its do we want to fight racism and of course the answer to most of us is yes but to fight racism you have to understand where does racism come from whats the cause of racism these symbols of an exploiting society do of course represent the fact that it is an exploitative society what that reminds us is this is a society its not our society its run it is made up of run by and fought a tiny exploiting class and of course they heroes are the ones who are celebrated in the culture that they call ours which is really their hea...