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They've given it. back up and take a look at the fact. imagine this were a grand jury looking at bringing a criminal indictment against somebody. and you learned that the grand jury had previously stated to multiple people that it thought it should bring the indictment. on multiple occasions this congress led by the democrats have wanted to impeach the president over several different incidents. now they finally have one they're pushing forward and the question is did it start fair and is it going to maintain that fairness through the process? >> julie: the investigative period is over for the...

>> well, i think public is right. a justice said sunlight is the best disinfectent. we watched it publicly. the emphasis on process. i understand why the republicans are objecting because they are being left out of this and this is an all adam schiff operation right now. but the process is not as important in the end as the facts. and when the facts come out i just think people will say we're going to remove a president whom we elected because he had a conversation with the president of ukraine about corruption and talked about joe biden? democrats have done things like that before. senators, ...

Opportunity to his case than was given to other presidents before. and thank you, mr. chairman, for making that point so clearly. and these actions, this process, these open hearings seeking the truth and making it available to the american people will inform congress on the very difficult decisions we will have to make in the future as to whether to impeach the president. that decision has not been made. that is what the inquiry will investigate and then we can make the decision based on the truth. i don't know why the republicans are afraid of the truth. every member should support allowing ...

>> julie: joining me for more on this is brett tollman, first we heard from the house rules committee chairman jim mcgovern speaking first to set up the rules as bill mentioned to get the ball rolling. followed currently by the congressman tom cole, the republican. he just called this preordained. the republicans have said that the democrats have gone about this the wrong way and that they have not gone about getting these witnesses to come forward and testify in an ethical way, behind closed doors and going about it in a way that's only set to impeach the president without giving republicans ...

I made lightly. this is not a vote for impeachment. it is a vote to create clear rules for public hearings. that's a vulnerable district. that district went for president trump by 13 points. republicans are going to try to weaponize this roll call vote against those vulnerable democrats. i would look at two hold-outs now who we don't know how they'll go. colin peterson, a veteran democrat from minnesota and also a freshman democrat from new jersey jeff van drew. he flipped a district from red to blue and skeptical of the process all along. i asked peterson how he would vote. he said i'll figur...