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Biden shows she is the frontrunner now. steve: she was last night, apparently. larry, what do you think? >> well, let's start with the farcical notion of the co-sponsors of the debate being cnn and the "new york times." just yesterday project veritas puts out 19-minute tape with undercover whistleblower taping a bunch of people at cnn including the president and ceo jeff zucker and it's clear jeff zucker, hates, hates, hates donald trump and one staffer each says that zucker has a, quote, personal vendetta against trump, closed quote. the other thing is the "new york times." the "new york time...

The president from office. >> based on the information that is already out there that we have in the public sphere, you believe the president should be impeached? >> i believe he should be impeached and removed from office. this isn't just information that is out there. it's been confirmed in spades by the white house and by the president himself. the effort to get the leader of ukraine, which is in a hot war with russia, russia is our enemy if anyone in the world is, to dig up dirt, closed quote, on hunter biden in a case that had already been closed. and the president saying i know i froze a...

You know who i did it at the request of? the state department. i never talked to a ukrainian official until the state department called me and asked me to do it and then i reported every conversation back to them. and i'm a pretty good lawyer, just a country lawyer but it's all here, right here. >> welcome back to "hardball." that was president trump's personal attorney rudy giuliani last night defending his interactions with ukraine. giuliani's efforts to dig up dirt on the bidens is the central focus now of president trump's july phone call with the ukrainian president himself. one key quot...

Giuliani's months long shadow effort that quote involved inabrupt removal of the ambassador to ukraine. the circumvention of senior officials on the national security counsel and the suspension of hundreds of millions of dollars in aid administered by defense and state department. rudy he did all this, this s hadf-show we're in, it's him. i'm joined by barbara mcquade. here's a great line in all the old kwiem shows was did you notice anything different that night, anything special happen that night? in other words, is anything changing in the norm tells you something special to that night happ...

Personal political gain. i'm really kind of surprised that they released this at all. but the one quote that i think is also really important that you didn't say, the president after saying, oh, we have done so much for ukraine, also said and i wouldn't say it's reciprocated. i mean, he was saying we want some resipicaticiprocation, and outlines it. we want the dirt on my political apo opponent. and one other thing, he said rudy giuliani you should talk to him, but he also said that i want you to talk to the attorney general of the united states of america. so he was using every implement of g...