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The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell

and father. joining us now is ryan riley, justice reporter for nbc news digital who was in the courtroom today in washington. ryan, was this a case where the defendant turned down a possible plea agreement offer in favor of going to trial? >> yeah, you know, mostly these cases, they're offering some sort of plea deal so evidently it wasn't some that he was willing to go along with. and it was a more remarkable trial because over the course of a few days as the jury heard this evidence, there wasn't much -- between the defense and prosecution. they all sort of agreed on all of the fact there were stipulated. it was really hard to object to those facts because, it was just so well documented what he did. he's caught on closer cameras, he's closing for a photo with the co-rack that he stole you can see on camera coming out with a bottle of liquor. he text his friend who was there. and then of course the governor was able to obtain some of the

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The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell

just so well documented what he did. he's caught on closer cameras, he's closing for a photo with the co-rack that he stole you can see on camera coming out with a bottle of liquor. he text his friend who was there. and then of course the governor was able to obtain some of the cell phone records from uber and from google showing where exactly he was all day. so when he said that he was there for part of rudy giuliani 's speech actually the prosecution was able to say no you are still up and -- coming down an uber during that four silver springs. so we did actually show up until closer to trump's speech. so it was really remarkable how well the government was able to pinpoint exactly where he was during the entirety of this event. >> and in cases like this, it's standard for the defense lawyer to tell the client that look, if you take the plea, you're going to get less time that you will get if you put everyone through a trial. and then get found guilty. and then only that, in this case, the judge actually said

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