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Somebody caught in the middle of it, and that does not excuse the person from the consequences. Professors, we have talked about abuse of power and bribery when we started, we said we would also discuss obstruction of congress. So i would like to ask you some questions about obstruction of congress. Professor gerhardt, in your view, is there enough evidence here to charge President Trump with a high crime and misdemeanor of obstruction of congress . I think that there is more than enough. As i mentioned in my statement, i just really underscore this. The third article of impeachment, approved ...

Endlessly fluid and flexible. and that standard has kept us from impeachments despite periods where we have really despised each other. and that is the most distressing thing for all of us today is there is so much more rage than reason, you can even talk about these issues without people saying, you must be in favor of the ukrainians taking over the country, or the russians moving into the white house. at some point as people, we have to have a serious discussion about the grounds to remove a duly elected president. >> professor turley, in her testimony you said when it comes to impeachment, ...