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we'll get the details from carole lending one of the reporters who broke that story an expert legal guidance on what it all means. but first, let's remember how we got here. today washington for only the second time a federal judge sentence a january 6th rioter to more than five years in prison. 63 months, it is tied for the longest sentence ever imposed on a participant in the capitol attack. and it's not hard to see. why in screenshots take it from officers body cams in january six, the sky is seen swinging a pull out of police officers so hard it snaps into on the officers riot...

so, take a look at his net favorability rating. that's his favorable minus unfavorable and look at it since essentially march. we see march 25th, which was essentially four months ago, it was minus six points. then it's minus seven points april 25th. may 25th, minus nine points. june 25th, minus 10 points. july 25th, minus 13 points. you don't have to be a mathematician to know that's a bad trend line. and it follows everything that we know that we've seen in the past. when the president stays out of the news -- the former president stays out of the news, his numbers go up. when he g...

republican congressman. >> we will wear that any members of congress had [inaudible] >> mr. gates and mr. brooks -- mr. gates was the first to ask for a pardon. [inaudible] i'm sorry. >> the only reason i know to ask for a pardon is because you think you have committed a crime. >> the president is getting very agitated and he said, people tell me i should just get rid of both of you and change the leadership, put jeff clarke in, maybe something will finally get done. >> i thought that it was [inaudible] >> how does the president even know mr. clark? >> i said, so suppose i do the, su...

outside, contrasting us with other countries that knowingly don't have that. we're telling ourselves that we do, but, you know, from the very beginning and from all the most noble americans who have upheld that tradition, separation of church and state is just as good for the state as it is for the church. it is -- it protects religion as much as it protects the policy and giving it up that split endangers both. we play with that line a lot and it's in a really dangerous place on some parts of the ride right. >> so good on you. thank you. greatly appreciate it. >> thanks, my friend. ...

it was illegal, the next question is, did they try to pull it off anyway? if the answer to that is yes they try to pull it off anyway, my next personal question is always, well when they try to pull it off was it occasionally hilarious? [laughs] whether or not the answer that is yes, then next obvious question is, did they get caught? and then of course the final question is, will they get in trouble for it? that is pretty simply where we are. and sort of how we know how to orient ourselves in this ongoing saga which will be, you know, our generation story in american history. was il...