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That could be a challenge being either targeted or removed from that investigation or pursued in some way. i'm fascinating by how this sort of plays out on obstruction of justice. the collusion angle, which we saw with manafort yesterday is playing out, but we've heard very little in terms of how this will go. i think it will be decided between special counsel mueller and the new incoming attorney general. >> jake, one of the -- one of the items from the exsempt hacet continues to get a fair amount of attention, mccabe's comments on justice officials talking about the 25th amendment, basically...

They have people feeding information back into the central command structure. putting more names and more lines on their white boards, adding documents to their binders. we only see it a piece at a time but this is a complex, ongoing investigation with dozens of witnesses and thousands of documents. >> our friend lydia huff post editor joined us from a flash cam. lydia, you were here before these two stories blew up we had a different show planned but i would love your thoughts on the breaking news. >> if you take these developments together, the payoffs of women and also the "wall street jour...

Truthful, he made mistakes and is not going to play ball with this plea deal. we know manafort is facing sentencing because the mueller team said he lied about all these things you mentioned. where does this lead the president? >> this is coming to a end in the sense of all the aspects of an investigation coming towards the close. we are getting the final parts of whatever may or may not be a collusion angle. the special counsel is going after roger stone. if there was any type of criminal conspiracy involving the trump campaign will involve the wikileaks angle. we know the president gave the ...

To play ball with the plea deal. now we know manafort is facing facing sentencing on friday. the mueller team says he has lied about all these things. where does this leave the president? >> this is coming to an end in the sense of all aspects of the investigation are coming towards the close. we are getting to the final parts of whatever may or may not be a collusion angle. we know the special counsel is going after roger stone. that's where jerome corsi came in. if there was terminal conspiracy that involves the trump campaign, it will likely involve wikileaks. we are looking at this probabl...