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Resolves everything here. this seems to be the weaker side for barr and the president. i will turn to the stronger side with you, because there are no collusion indictments. you were someone who is saying things that some of the viewers thought might mean there were going to be collusion indictments. but your analysis of what you heard, since this is your first time tonight? >> the collusion aspect is really interesting to me base odden what barbara said at the end there. while the president -- the evidence does not establish that the president was involved in the underlying crime related to r...

The collusion aspect. >> based on what? based on what we know? if you look at michael cohen's testimony last week, he -- he was somewhat vague on -- he said there was a phone call, for instance, the president knew and approved of the trump tower meeting in 2016 and he got a heads-up on wikileaks releases, but to our knowledge to our knowledge that is all cohen had. what gives you the confidence as a prosecutor that there is enough there to establish probable cause? >> it is the substantive aspects of communications that went on. it's the idea that there was the exchange of the polling informat...

And crimea probably wants to be part of russia. and donald trump knows what's happening. no one needed to tell theucter party >> and he placed donald trump at the center of the most important discussions happening in the campaign and after the campaign. when you think about the trump tower meeting, he says don trump jr.fe effectively told him abou that meeting. and he said stick to the story. no russia collusion and michael cohen took the hint there. when it comes to wikileaks, he was involved there too. what he did was he put trump at the center of the conspiracy in a way that we cannot deny ...

Hide! because he's being investigated for things he doesn't want investigated! that seems pretty self-evident to me. >> because we were saying, what is potentially more harmful to the president? >> i don't think you can say that one is more harmful than another. he is enveloped -- >> well, more exposure. >> he is enveloped by investigation. but certainly the special prosecutor in the southern district together are going at both financial and the russian, quote, collusion aspect of this, as well as it involves his businesses in russia. that is a big problem for this president of the united stat...

Hide! because he's being investigated for things he doesn't want investigated! that seems pretty self-evident to me. >> because we were saying, what is potentially more harmful to the president? >> i don't think you can say that one is more harmful than another. he is enveloped -- >> well, more exposure. >> he is enveloped by investigation. but certainly the special prosecutor in the southern district together are going at both financial and the russian, quote, collusion aspect of this, as well as it involves his businesses in russia. that is a big problem for this president of the united stat...