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Placed between mccabe and the certain obstruction of justice case. let me ask you, steve ratner, how do you think that would work? it is interesting, it puts pittsburgh kab in a difficult position if he is a party to the case and i would suspect that the obstruction case against the president and the people around the president certainly is far stronger than even the collusion case, because, well, they've admitted obstruction in tweets and in tv interviews and from the white house podium. how exactly do you think mccabe and the football fib sorts through this? >> i think are you right, joe. i ...

>> and also the chief of staff needs to be brought in. bring them in for depositions in the same on from rosenstein asked them the same tough question so the american people get the answers. eric: for starting with the president, who is a member of the house to sherry? and their reaction to what the president said that he will not fire t3? >> those were all rumors we have not heard that. i look back and i don't think he should have been appointed there was never a crime to investigate but searching for one. but it would be politically dumb to fire him at this juncture. i don't think they will ...

Area of most concern to the president's lawyers, to cobb and sekulow here, is the potential obstruction of justice case as opposed to the collusion case as it relates to president trump. here's what i think the white house may be misguided on in terms of the political impact, they are out there with their lawyers saying, hey, can we wrap this up? we'd really like to conclude this. they see it as their opportunity to lift the cloud of suspicion hanging over the president for the year. think the trump white house is misunderstanding if, indeed, they think that somehow, even if this goes on with ...

Indication that what happened last week with the flynn indictment got in his head a little bit. they also believe he's internalized this idea that he's impervious to consequences that everything will work out in the end and he really does believe his attorney ty cobb when he says just cooperate. things will work out just fine. this will all be over soon. now there's obviously some tension within the president's legal team about the strategy and the president is having a lot of conversations with people outside the white house. steve bannon and other close friends who are warning him. you need ...

This major meeting and down at mar-a-lago when all of this was being orchestrated and the president, himself, didn't know about it. so there is the obstruction case. then there is also the collusion case and was there anything quote/unquote of value traded after the russians try id to interfere in our election? was that in the form of sanctions? or something on the side in terms of business deals? those are all the questions out there. >> is this a pr deal, collusion, is there no collusion, he says there is no collusion, at this point there is no evidence of collusion. you heard elizabeth holt...