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With roger stone. this was the president of the united states and up until now we have been thinking there was a collusion case and obstruction case and after this new york times report, he wonders if the act of obstructing could be colec colluding. does he have a point? >> there's a possibility. there's so much below the surface other than the high standards that are necessary. by this time, we know they knew many of the activities that had taken place during the transition. kushner's effort to set up a back channel. flynn talking with the ambassador, the ambassador of russia about sanctions....

That clip that you just said with the moment in helsinki. if there are moments in this investigation where people like me wonder is this just so obvious and we're looking at the details, we have to also remember helsinki. that moment where the president essentially standing with putin says, you know, i'm yours. i have no u.s. interests. i only have russian interests, really would be evidence if the investigation is ongoing about the nature and extent of the relationship between trump himself and russia. >> my producer brings up a good point by saying, john, this isn't manafort or flynn or, you...

And the man in the high castle. all in the same place as your live tv. its all included with your amazon prime membership. that's how xfinity makes tv... simple. easy. awesome. welcome back and thank you so much for joining us here on msnbc. right now we have more on the bombshell reporting from "the new york times" that the fbi opened an investigation just days after former fbi director james comey was fired into whether president trump was secretly working on behalf of russia. no evidence since then has emerged publicly that the president was, in fact, in contact with or took direction fro...

Whether he was actively doing this on behalf of the trump campaign. >> got it. >> hi, max. so the top democrat on the senate intelligence committee is mark warner. he says this is the closest thing that we have seen to collusion. and you agree, the headline to your new op-ed is called the collusion case against trump just got a lot stronger. can you explain to me why? >> this is the definition of collusion. i had to laugh earlier today. we had a republican congressman on saying we're still waiting for evidence of collusion. well no, this is it right here when you have the campaign chairman of ...

Yet. i'd be curious to know what is the nature of the polling information that was shared with russians or potentially shared with russians, and again, there's also the real question we have to ask, paul manafort obviously has been convicted and it was a deeply compromised figure. what we don't yet know is the extent to which he was trying to privatize trump campaign information in order to help his own business interests or whether he was actively doing this on behalf of the trump campaign. >> got it. >> hi, max. so the top democrat on the senate intelligence committee is mark warner. he says...