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Weeds a little bit -- >> go there. >> that's the piece of evidence that makes a conspiracy that makes a collusion case by itself, it doesn't. if you put it together with this, that the polling information was given to the russians to enable them to use their hacked information that they're feeding into facebook and other social media things to move the electorate in certain critical states, now you have, if this is true, the trump political operatives working in collusion with the russians to move the election. now we don't know what the other pieces of this puzzle show, but certainly a lot of...

Do you see it the same way? do you see all of these cases that the special prosecutor robert mueller that he's been building up, whether it be with general flynn, michael cohen, whether it be the russians that have been indicted? george papadopoulos? do you see that they're simply entrapment and have nothing to do with the collusion case? >> no. this entrapment claim is a diversion by giuliani and company. here's the thing. general flynn had a really strong adept criminal defense team working for him. if there was an entrapment defense under the law, i can assure you it would have been asert a...

Of business, but it seems like if the mueller probe and based on the interest in corsi and the ongoing interest in stone and the fact there are rumblings out there about jared and junior, that he's focused on witnesses that can speak to the collusion case. is manafort still useful on the collusion question? >> manafort could be very useful. he's sort of like forrest gump. he pops up in a lot of different times and places. pops up in ukraine. pops up with different people that are interesting to mueller in this investigation. and so he could explain a lot of people, a lot of relationships. he c...

Public opinion. the president is fighting in the court of public opinion. he's going to keep that bar at collusion and say anything short of that just falls short. the president believes he can probably weather an obstruction case. he believes he can weather a campaign finance case but he knows his support collapses, both congressionally and among the american people if a collusion case is built against him. if they evidence does appear, he may have to pivot. and we'll see where that goes. >> there's been speculation that pivot may include firing robert mueller. but fired fbi director james co...

>> i wish i knew, john. one thing that's important to note, these documents aren't about laying out mueller's case for collusion or obstruction but getting these two men, michael cohen and paul manafort sentenced. they're only talking about what those judges need to know. we want to know whether they have a collusion case or obstruction case and these documents aren't even contained in them and then, of course, there are things that are redacted because they hint at things that are part of ongoing investigations. i'm fried we have to wait until mueller's report comes out or new indictments bef...