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If i'm bob mueller, that's one of the key questions i need to have an answer to because if the president was corruptly trying to intimidate a witness, or keep him from testifying in any way interrupt the process of having a fair investigation, that's really job number one as a federal prosecutor for you to run that to the ground. >> julia ainsley, is there any -- go ahead, paul. i saw you try to jump in. >> very quickly on the collusion point, remember, mueller said that manafort was a lot more helpful than the federal prosecutors in new york thought. so mueller thought manafort provided subst...

Never plead, fight. >> always fight. never give in. >> tucker: don't talk voluntarily.vene >> take the fifth. that's why god made it. >> tucker: jimmy hoffa rule and by the way, i'm for that. joe, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> tucker: ken starr was the independent counsel during the clinton administration and recently wrote the u book, "contempt: a memoir of the clinton investigation." he joins us tonight. mr. starr, thank you very much for coming on. >> my pleasure, tucker, thank you. >> tucker: nothing we have seen unearthed by the mueller investigation so far, at least pertaining to...

Never plead, fight. >> always fight. never give in. >> tucker: don't talk voluntarily. >> take the fifth. that's why god made it. >> tucker: jimmy hoffa rule by the way, i'm for that. joe, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> tucker: ken starr was the independent counsel during the clinton administration contempt a memoir of the clinton investigation. he joins us tonight. mr. starr, thank you very much for coming on. >> my pleasure, tucker, thank you. >> tucker: nothing we have seen unearthed by the mueller investigation so far, at least pertaining to american citizens, relates to russian col...

It went away for a few months. the president was focusing on just the straight up no collusion point. you see it in all the tweets. now it is roaring back because of the thursday night bombshell that the president's own former lawyer and fixer cohen is claiming despite all the denials, the president did know about the russia/trump tower meeting in advance. when that report drop, you know what happens next, they picked it up and whipped it around and began running with it again. >> it's hard to see the point of all of this hysteria. what would the crime be? it is not illegal to talk to foreigne...

That's the combining of the denial with the collusion is not a crime narrative. the president was focusing on just the straight up no collusion point. you see it in all the tweets. now it is roaring back because of the thursday night bombshell that the president's own former lawyer and fixer cohen is claiming despite all the denials, the president did know about the russia trump tower meeting in advance. when that report drop, you know what happens next, they picked it up and whipped it around and began running with it again. >> it's hard to see the point of all of this hysteria. what would th...