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Concerned about corruption in ukraine. this wasn't just a chance to get dirt on biden. this want just looking into the election. he was truly, deeply concerned about what was happening there to add some sort of legitimacy to the call, to add some sort of legitimacy to his requests from zelensky to show how they were combatting corruption. whether -- if this was a totally discredited theory that nobody believed in, it wouldn't have as much, you know, legs to it. but if this is something that they can put out there that he truly believed that he thought was legitimate, it may be some sort of a d...

The department of the defense spent weeks if not months determining the ukraine government meant every requirement in the law and made significant strides in combatting corruption. is that correct? >> we made that determination in may. >> you understood they received no credible explanation is that right? >> i couldn't give them one. >> this two plus two equals four kwgs y kw conclusion you reached? >> pretty much. >> the aide was a part of the quid pro quo? >> yep. >> president trump never told me directly that the aide was conditioned on the meetings. the only thing we got directly from giul...

That approximates my understanding of the provision. >> okay. i will go with that approximate. thank you very much. i yield back the balance of my time. >> as paul harvey said, the rest of the story. my colleague failed to put certain issues with respect to certification. dod certification was not for corruption throughout the entire country of ukraine, it was institutional reforms and combat capability, is that correct? >> yes, sir. >> first, thank you for being here this afternoon. i appreciate that. my colleague seemed to leave that out. he read your statement but the corrective emphasis. t...

Were you ever able to get a reason why that hold was on? did you ever get a reason? >> no, ma'am. the only thing i ever heard about it, this is again second, third hand, was that the president was concerned about corruption. but that was all i ever heard. >> so would you -- were you ever provided any additional information about the reason for the hold? >> no, ma'am. >> i thank you and yield the balls of my time to the chairman. >> i thank the gentle woman. my authorities, mr. hale, isn't it common to hold aid and you said it's not unusual. would you agree it's unusual to lever va leverage a f...

Did reference the importance of civilian control of the military which relates more broadly to -- >> none of us would argue that fixes the corruption throughout the rest of the country. miss cooper maybe you can shed light on specific details, we talk the security assistance program, $250 million. some would argue that because the pause, people died in account because of the pause. can you help us understand exactly what obligated and was there things about to be delivered to ukraine? was ukraine out of ammunition? were they out of javelins or all of this stuff, because of this pause they didn...