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Here is acting white house chief of staff mick mulvaney. >> let's be clear, what you described is a quid pro quo. it is funding will not flow unless the investigation into the democratic server happened as well. >> we do that all of the time with foreign policy. >> and he talked about how aid to the northern triangle, central american countries came in exchange for them doing something about illegal immigration and then put out a statement a few hours later after criticism including from congressman rooney saying there was no quid pro quo. >> well, first of all, it was complete malpractice to ...

Of staff mick mulvaney. >> let's be clear, what you described is a quid pro quo. it is funding will not flow unless the investigation into the democratic server happened as well. >> we do that all of the time with foreign policy. >> and he talked about how aid to the northern triangle, central american countries came in exchange for them doing something about illegal immigration and then put out a statement a few hours later after criticism including from congressman rooney saying there was no quid pro quo. >> well, first of all, it was complete malpractice to put mick mulvaney in that briefin...

It is a combination argument, considering that both ryan and obama post the same dollar amount of cuts. the difference is that obama's cuts are used to be thrown back into medicare, versus ryan cuts are basically so they can support tax cuts. so i think that when we get down to the debates or somewhere where he is actually challenged on this, it's going to be a little bit harder for him to make this argument. jon: angela, he has not backed away. various outlets have pointed out that same thing. the ryan budget also proposed cuts in medicare. how does the answer that? >> he answered and talked ...